Power Steering Loss on a Jeep Gladiator

ducatijosh said:
I just had this happen to me in my 22 Gladiator Rubicon. 22 degrees outside and doing 70 on the freeway and lost power steering. No lights or anything on the dash. Pulled over and the power steering came back when I got down to ~20mph or so.
Cold weather definitely seems to play a part. I did notice my battery voltage was up in the 15s for a bit of my drive. Could be a battery issue. I think I’m going to delete the aux and put in a better main battery.
Anyone know how large of a main battery you can fit? Or the best one? Yellow top?
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Josh how many miles are on your Gladiator? I keep reading the factory batteries only seem to last two years then they both need to be replaced but I don’t know if that’s true or not or if it’s weather related either. I know extreme cold or heat are detrimental to battery life.
 
NPC 6060⁸42 said:
I keep reading the factory batteries only seem to last two years then they both need to be replaced but I don’t know if that’s true or not or if it’s weather related either.
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I know the internet is filled with all kinds of great information but 2 years? Really??

All I can say is that my 2020 Gladiator that I bought in 2019 is STILL running the factory installed batteries - both main and auxiliary.
 
wayoflife said:
I know the internet is filled with all kinds of great information but 2 years? Really??

All I can say is that my 2020 Gladiator that I bought in 2019 is STILL running the factory installed batteries - both main and auxiliary.
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Same with ours, I did lose power steering briefly on the new years trip.., umm
 
wayoflife said:
Really? Hmmm, I'm sure what we were doing wasn't easy on the power steering system. I do wonder now if that may have had something to do with it.
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Same, it’s back to normal. I thought maybe it overheated? But we weren’t going that hard. We had plenty of air flow that’s for sure.
 
wayoflife said:
I know the internet is filled with all kinds of great information but 2 years? Really??

All I can say is that my 2020 Gladiator that I bought in 2019 is STILL running the factory installed batteries - both main and auxiliary.
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Thanks that makes more sense. I have gone through two batteries in the last twenty years in my Ford Explorer but it’s been outside its whole life. My Gladiator is living the good life in the garage every night unless we‘re away from home of course. So I would expect the batteries to last at least as long as the old Ford.
 
Small update,

Going on a week since my visit to the dealer , they ordered a new power steering pump/motor assembly. they said it was a couple weeks out.

Crossing my fingers it fixes the problem and that I dont end up with the problem coming back next winter.
 
WAMPA said:
Small update,

Going on a week since my visit to the dealer , they ordered a new power steering pump/motor assembly. they said it was a couple weeks out.

Crossing my fingers it fixes the problem and that I dont end up with the problem coming back next winter.
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I have a huge hunch that it's battery-related, it's the only thing that changes drastically like that in cold weather. I noticed my alternator was pushing 15amps the morning that it happened to me. And these smart alternators also do not charge your battery while on the freeway to save MPG, I believe it's only when braking or idling.
 
ducatijosh said:
I have a huge hunch that it's battery-related, it's the only thing that changes drastically like that in cold weather. I noticed my alternator was pushing 15amps the morning that it happened to me. And these smart alternators also do not charge your battery while on the freeway to save MPG, I believe it's only when braking or idling.
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My 2022 has been doing it since new last year my jeep also is stored in a insulated garage, it's also happened a couple minutes from home or a hour or two after.
 
New power steering pump installed, they took it for a drive first thing in the morning, and again later in the day, both the shop foreman and the manager drove it.

But as luck would have it its unseasonably warm out now. So going to have to wait until the temperature drops to test it again.

What's strange is on the work notes it says they took a AB pump out and put a AB pump in, so the new pump is the same revision , maybe mine was just defective.. :unsure:
 
This same thing happened to me driving on snowy roads. My rear end started to slide, I quickly counter steered and lost power steering. Slowed down to pull off the road to check things out and got my steering back. Hasn’t happened since. It was very cold that day too.
 
WAMPA said:
New power steering pump installed, they took it for a drive first thing in the morning, and again later in the day, both the shop foreman and the manager drove it.

But as luck would have it its unseasonably warm out now. So going to have to wait until the temperature drops to test it again.

What's strange is on the work notes it says they took a AB pump out and put a AB pump in, so the new pump is the same revision , maybe mine was just defective.. :unsure:
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Any updates?
 
I know the update question wasn't for me but I have to say, I've not seen this problem on my new Gladiator.
 
Mine started loosing power steering this summer when we were in the San Juans in Colorado. This weekend it started doing it in parking lots.
I though maybe it had gotten hot when we were wheeling but this weekend it was cool out and we had barely driven it from a hotel to a restaurant. It is REALLY hard to steer when it does it. I think it did it running about 75 coming down through Northern New Mexico yesterday as well but it was so quick I am not sure. The steering was "weird" for a second and then everything was normal. Maybe it is time to toss the electric pump.
 
DaJudge said:
Mine started loosing power steering this summer when we were in the San Juans in Colorado. This weekend it started doing it in parking lots.
I though maybe it had gotten hot when we were wheeling but this weekend it was cool out and we had barely driven it from a hotel to a restaurant. It is REALLY hard to steer when it does it. I think it did it running about 75 coming down through Northern New Mexico yesterday as well but it was so quick I am not sure. The steering was "weird" for a second and then everything was normal. Maybe it is time to toss the electric pump.
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Well that sucks. I've not been a big fan of the electric pump and kind of annoyed that Jeep went with it on the JL/JT
 
wayoflife said:
Well that sucks. I've not been a big fan of the electric pump and kind of annoyed that Jeep went with it on the JL/JT
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I read on a couple different forums that some guys had a lot of air in the system so I am going to try and bleed it this weekend. I will report back here if it does anything. I would love to just swap it with a PSC kit but 3k isn't happening right now.
 
Mine on my JL started sticking this weekend. Would let go of the steering wheel and it would pretty much stay in that position. I was on Highway 1 which is super windy and having to manually bring the wheel to center sucked badly. Over correction was an issue, esp on I5 where we almost lost it.
 
wayoflife said:
What OverlanderJK said ^^^

I don't know what social media whore is churching up this stupid idea but it's a bad one. The auxiliary battery exists to help protect your Jeep's computer from start ups. Removing it WILL cause damage to your computer over time. This is NOT an opinion but rather, comes straight from the engineers at Jeep.
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Not sure I agree with this one 100%, while I'm certain the engineers are looking at a certain amount of capacity in rated amp/hrs, IDK? ... I deleted my AUX 2 yrs ago wiring exactly per Genesis with their dual system install.... since I do not have a large accessory draw I simply opted for an upgraded Odyssey. The system has worked as designed without issue and the single Odyssey has held up to everyday use and winching. My reasoning had nothing to do with the ESS system, but rather not wanting to be stranded off grid with a rig that would not start with a battery pack ... but to note that I did do the delete after my AUX died and took out the main starter battery (also just occurred on my wifes JL) Genesis has since released an OEM tray that relocates the AUX up above the PCM making the AUX very easy to reach for replacement and/or testing. Not assuming the AUX was the cause of this issue, but it seems well documented that the current AUX/Starter battery can have somewhat of a parasitic relationship. I'm also not stating that I'm smarter than the engineers, just that hordes of people have performed an AUX delete and I have not heard of a single case where an ECM has been damaged ....
 
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