Power Steering Loss on a Jeep Gladiator

[wayoflife]

Not sure I agree with this one 100%, while I'm certain the engineers are looking at a certain amount of capacity in rated amp/hrs, IDK? ... I deleted my AUX 2 yrs ago wiring exactly per Genesis with their dual system install.... since I do not have a large accessory draw I simply opted for an upgraded Odyssey. The system has worked as designed without issue and the single Odyssey has held up to everyday use and winching. My reasoning had nothing to do with the ESS system, but rather not wanting to be stranded off grid with a rig that would not start with a battery pack ... but to note that I did do the delete after my AUX died and took out the main starter battery (also just occurred on my wifes JL) Genesis has since released an OEM tray that relocates the AUX up above the PCM making the AUX very easy to reach for replacement and/or testing. Not assuming the AUX was the cause of this issue, but it seems well documented that the current AUX/Starter battery can have somewhat of a parasitic relationship. I'm also not stating that I'm smarter than the engineers, just that hordes of people have performed an AUX delete and I have not heard of a single case where an ECM has been damaged ....

You're free to disagree and do whatever you want with your Jeep but that doesn't change the fact that the auxiliary battery DOES IN FACT EXIST to "protect" the Jeeps computer on start up. Does that mean without it your Jeep will instantly blow up? Obviously not and no less than running your engine without an air filter will cause your engine to instantly seize up. The battery is designed to "protect" the computer and the filter exists to "protect" your engine.

But hey, it's your Jeep and you should always do whatever it is you want with it

 

[OverlanderJK]

Not sure I agree with this one 100%, while I'm certain the engineers are looking at a certain amount of capacity in rated amp/hrs, IDK? ... I deleted my AUX 2 yrs ago wiring exactly per Genesis with their dual system install.... since I do not have a large accessory draw I simply opted for an upgraded Odyssey. The system has worked as designed without issue and the single Odyssey has held up to everyday use and winching. My reasoning had nothing to do with the ESS system, but rather not wanting to be stranded off grid with a rig that would not start with a battery pack ... but to note that I did do the delete after my AUX died and took out the main starter battery (also just occurred on my wifes JL) Genesis has since released an OEM tray that relocates the AUX up above the PCM making the AUX very easy to reach for replacement and/or testing. Not assuming the AUX was the cause of this issue, but it seems well documented that the current AUX/Starter battery can have somewhat of a parasitic relationship. I'm also not stating that I'm smarter than the engineers, just that hordes of people have performed an AUX delete and I have not heard of a single case where an ECM has been damaged ....

The excuse of people saying “I didn’t want to be stranded out in the middle of nowhere” typically comes from people who quite literally, have never been out in the middle of nowhere.

 

[WJCO]

Not sure I agree with this one 100%, while I'm certain the engineers are looking at a certain amount of capacity in rated amp/hrs, IDK? ... I deleted my AUX 2 yrs ago wiring exactly per Genesis with their dual system install.... since I do not have a large accessory draw I simply opted for an upgraded Odyssey. The system has worked as designed without issue and the single Odyssey has held up to everyday use and winching. My reasoning had nothing to do with the ESS system, but rather not wanting to be stranded off grid with a rig that would not start with a battery pack ... but to note that I did do the delete after my AUX died and took out the main starter battery (also just occurred on my wifes JL) Genesis has since released an OEM tray that relocates the AUX up above the PCM making the AUX very easy to reach for replacement and/or testing. Not assuming the AUX was the cause of this issue, but it seems well documented that the current AUX/Starter battery can have somewhat of a parasitic relationship. I'm also not stating that I'm smarter than the engineers, just that hordes of people have performed an AUX delete and I have not heard of a single case where an ECM has been damaged ....

Welcome back.

 

[Bizill]

I've yet to read about anyone killing their ecu by doing the battery delete. Perhaps I'm not researching well enough. I have however read of nothing but problems caused by a dying aux battery. I deleted mine and had to go one step further and disconnect the "smart" alternator sensing system because it would never charge the main battery above 12.3 volts so my Renogy dc-dc w/mppt charger would never charge my house battery. That may kill my main battery faster than deleting the aux. Perhaps not. Atop that I have solar panels that in conjunction with the Renogy top off the main Jeep battery when the house battery is topped off.

Just my 2 cents from the new guy.

 

[wayoflife]

I've yet to read about anyone killing their ecu by doing the battery delete. Perhaps I'm not researching well enough. I have however read of nothing but problems caused by a dying aux battery. I deleted mine and had to go one step further and disconnect the "smart" alternator sensing system because it would never charge the main battery above 12.3 volts so my Renogy dc-dc w/mppt charger would never charge my house battery. That may kill my main battery faster than deleting the aux. Perhaps not. Atop that I have solar panels that in conjunction with the Renogy top off the main Jeep battery when the house battery is topped off.

Just my 2 cents from the new guy.

LOL - and I’ve yet to read about how anyone killed their engine for not running an air filter. But, I digress.

 

[WJCO]

I've yet to read about anyone killing their ecu by doing the battery delete. Perhaps I'm not researching well enough. I have however read of nothing but problems caused by a dying aux battery. I deleted mine and had to go one step further and disconnect the "smart" alternator sensing system because it would never charge the main battery above 12.3 volts so my Renogy dc-dc w/mppt charger would never charge my house battery. That may kill my main battery faster than deleting the aux. Perhaps not. Atop that I have solar panels that in conjunction with the Renogy top off the main Jeep battery when the house battery is topped off.

Just my 2 cents from the new guy.

And I'm a professional. Winning is my job.

 

[Bizill]

LOL - and I’ve yet to read about how anyone killed their engine for not running an air filter. But, I digress.

Even running them I question how well they protect against dusting an engine. Here in the AZ desert we have FINE silty dust that definitely gets past our Donaldson filters on our sxs. I know it's a terrible idea to run a K&N out in the sticks as well. I run a snorkel system number one because previous owner slapped that puppy on the Glad but before taking it off I read mentions of how it will breath cooler air up high and also LESS DUST.

 

[WJCO]

This thread so sucks balls right now.

 

[Bizill]

And I'm a professional. Winning is my job.

Heh? I'm the new guy, unaware your credentials. Winning is good, though.

 

[wayoflife]

Even running them I question how well they protect against dusting an engine. Here in the AZ desert we have FINE silty dust that definitely gets past our Donaldson filters on our sxs. I know it's a terrible idea to run a K&N out in the sticks as well. I run a snorkel system number one because previous owner slapped that puppy on the Glad but before taking it off I read mentions of how it will breath cooler air up high and also LESS DUST.

But… running a factory air filter, Jeep will still warranty a bad engine. Get rid of the factory air filter, they will not. Just saying

 

[Bizill]

But… running a factory air filter, Jeep will still warranty a bad engine. Get rid of the factory air filter, they will not. Just saying

I feel ya. Same goes for Polaris (hate them, had one) as they try to deny you warrantee for this, that and the other. Good thing for the Magnuson-Moss act as not many, probably especially in a Jeep forum keep things stock long.

 

[wayoflife]

I feel ya. Same goes for Polaris (hate them, had one) as they try to deny you warrantee for this, that and the other. Good thing for the Magnuson-Moss act as not many, probably especially in a Jeep forum keep things stock long.

LOL - I’ve yet to see anyone successfully make the Magnuson-moss act work for them. What I have personally seen is where Jeep will deny a warranty claim even with a dealership installed Mopar CAI.

 

[Bizill]

LOL - I’ve yet to see anyone successfully make the Magnuson-moss act work for them. What I have personally seen is where Jeep will deny a warranty claim even with a dealership installed Mopar CAI.

How many Jeep folks keep their rig stock? I'm out of warranty as I bought used. That'd be hard to drive a factory rig for the entirety of manufacturer warranty. Zoiks! These things just look so much better due to aftermarket. Don't always drive as nice as factory but I wouldn't know. First Jeep here.

 

[wayoflife]

How many Jeep folks keep their rig stock? I'm out of warranty as I bought used. That'd be hard to drive a factory rig for the entirety of manufacturer warranty. Zoiks! These things just look so much better due to aftermarket. Don't always drive as nice as factory but I wouldn't know. First Jeep here.

LOL - im with you but when im honest with myself, its More than you apparently choose to believe.

 

[Bizill]

LOL - im with you but when im honest with myself, its More than you apparently choose to believe.

Did we get off on the wrong foot here? I'm not questioning a manufacturer denying claims, and heck, 3rd party warranties are even worse. Where are we not in agreement besides the aux battery thing? BTW, thanks for the recent video on the geometry correction brackets. Made installation a breeze save for that last lower control arm bolt!

 

[wayoflife]

Did we get off on the wrong foot here? I'm not questioning a manufacturer denying claims, and heck, 3rd party warranties are even worse. Where are we not in agreement besides the aux battery thing? BTW, thanks for the recent video on the geometry correction brackets. Made installation a breeze save for that last lower control arm bolt!

LOL - I think we're just in disagreement over the auxiliary battery. I have friends at Jeep and I tend to recommend what they recommend and for the sake of others. Wonderful for you that you don't care and really, but for others, I'd like to provide the best advice that I can.

 

[Bizill]

LOL - I think we're just in disagreement over the auxiliary battery. I have friends at Jeep and I tend to recommend what they recommend and for the sake of others. Wonderful for you that you don't care and really, but for others, I'd like to provide the best advice that I can.

I don't care? What the...? This is weird. Factory warranty, keep it factory if you wish to have it honored. Take fate into your own hands otherwise, I suppose, which is what many have chosen to do, to include myself. What I truly care about is owners not encountering issues when the aux goes belly up. From all I've read about is there's not exactly any warning when they go out. I'll have to search more for folks that have had their ecu fry or otherwise die because they removed their aux battery. Maybe it would behoove me to reinstall mine. I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere. Have there been reports here? That's why I joined this place, to get my learn on. FB and Youtube are about the only alternatives these days.

 

[Bizill]

That's a hoot! I can't tell you how many people try and tell me how stupid I am for not doing it and on a regular basis.

I caught this on the same page a couple threads down. I do suppose you're tired of hearing it. I didn't mean to call you out or anything. Was just stating my thoughts and the fact I had to do one better (or worse) with the disabling of the battery sensor deal, forgot the terminology, to get my dc-dc charger to charge as it won't charge if it senses the main battery is below a certain threshold. I'll have to ask in a thread as I navigate my way around this forum and see if anyone's been able to address my issue on that matter. I'd rather not have the "smart" alt not functioning the way it was intended to.

 

[wayoflife]

I don't care? What the...? This is weird. Factory warranty, keep it factory if you wish to have it honored. Take fate into your own hands otherwise, I suppose, which is what many have chosen to do, to include myself. What I truly care about is owners not encountering issues when the aux goes belly up. From all I've read about is there's not exactly any warning when they go out. I'll have to search more for folks that have had their ecu fry or otherwise die because they removed their aux battery. Maybe it would behoove me to reinstall mine. I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere. Have there been reports here? That's why I joined this place, to get my learn on. FB and Youtube are about the only alternatives these days.

LOL - good for you that you take fate into your own hands. Certainly, I can too but when it comes to the internet, there's a LOT of really BAD information out there and for me personally, I try my hardest NOT to push it. Unlike you, I don't have to go off of what "I've read" or "searched for", I just go off what what I've been TOLD by my friends at Jeep. Just because you haven't seen any mention of people having problems doesn't mean they won't happen in the future. That's all I'm trying to do - provide ACCURATE information DIRECTLY from Jeep and with the hopes to help others out. Certainly, you and everyone else can take it or leave it

 

[Bizill]

LOL - good for you that you take fate into your own hands. Certainly, I can too but when it comes to the internet, there's a LOT of really BAD information out there and for me personally, I try my hardest NOT to push it. Unlike you, I don't have to go off of what "I've read" or "searched for", I just go off what what I've been TOLD by my friends at Jeep. Just because you haven't seen any mention of people having problems doesn't mean they won't happen in the future. That's all I'm trying to do - provide ACCURATE information DIRECTLY from Jeep and with the hopes to help others out. Certainly, you and everyone else can take it or leave it

I smell what you're cookin'. Had a guy on a Kawasaki forum choose to adhere to and reiterate Kawasaki corporate's advice as he was sort of an advocate for them being he named his forum after the vehicle. He was dead set against ANY upgrade besides the ones he's personally done to his own vehicle. I could see his reasoning behind his demeanor in his posts.

I don't understand the need to be condescending to me though. Sorta weird. But cool, leave the aux battery in. I'll do more research and perhaps put mine back in and then thank you later.