NEVER talk to the police!

Strizzy not to throw gasoline onto a fire... but as a law enforcement officer for 8 years now for the military... in several different states as well as in Germany. Your advice is actually more of a trigger that some LEOs look for. Granted I will agree some LEOs take things to the extreme, but you statements more blanket to all LEOs....

Now Strizzy if I remember correctly I know your in the medical field. Please take a step back and think about this for a moment. Your dislike for a LEO to do their job, to attempt to get the drunk driver off the road so they don't kill anyone. Its just like if I said I don't like the medical field, because when I went under anastasia (cant spell it...) for surgery, that i felt that the doctor took advantage of me. Not in a sick and twisted way... but if I truely felt that the doctor, the surgeon, the nurse or EMT crossed the line, that I would be cautious to go to get a check up.

I've never seen a doctor pull somebody out of their private residence or vehicle and cut them up, just in case they have a medical condition. I guess they could do it and just say - well, less than one percent of people MAY have this problem so we will just cut everyone open. They would only be protecting us from all those medical cases out there. It's ok, give up your rights and we will all be protected from those bad people with appendicitis or infected gall bladders.
 
I've never seen a doctor pull somebody out of their private residence or vehicle and cut them up, just in case they have a medical condition. I guess they could do it and just say - well, less than one percent of people MAY have this problem so we will just cut everyone open. They would only be protecting us from all those medical cases out there. It's ok, give up your rights and we will all be protected from those bad people with appendicitis or infected gall bladders.

What a loaded statement. While we are on the subject, i'm sure you are aware of how rampant malpractice is in the medical profession. No need to mention numbers or studies you can Google that.

However, I may be a bit biased and perhaps naive and I know we live in Kalifornia, but to insinuate that police go around ripping people out of their houses and depriving them of their 4th Amendment rights is just plain ignorant. There is so much Monday morning quarterbacking by people that haven't walked the walk it makes me laugh.
 
I've never seen a doctor pull somebody out of their private residence or vehicle and cut them up, just in case they have a medical condition. I guess they could do it and just say - well, less than one percent of people MAY have this problem so we will just cut everyone open. They would only be protecting us from all those medical cases out there. It's ok, give up your rights and we will all be protected from those bad people with appendicitis or infected gall bladders.

Your right there has not been quite a few cases against doctors..
 
I've never seen a doctor pull somebody out of their private residence or vehicle and cut them up, just in case they have a medical condition. I guess they could do it and just say - well, less than one percent of people MAY have this problem so we will just cut everyone open. They would only be protecting us from all those medical cases out there. It's ok, give up your rights and we will all be protected from those bad people with appendicitis or infected gall bladders.

You realize this analogy makes no sense right?
 
My point is if there is an abusive medical professional you have to go to him/her and you can always use referrals etc to decide who you go to as well as telling them to F...O... And walk out of the office, your choice. With a LEO that is not the case, and yes I've personally interacted with more than a few. I know LEOs, am related to LEOs, my best friend from childhood is a LEO. I'm not saying they are all abusive nor am I saying that most of them are abusive of their positions and authority, but there are enough (heck take that sized sample of the general population and now you have rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, spouse abusers and more with a gun, a badge and some authority) LEOs out there that even a small percentage means the odds are you will deal with at least one of the bad ones. So you just go on telling your kids and grand kids to be polite, never argue and do everything the nice LEO says and I hope they never run into any of the bad ones.
 
These guys who do the whole don't talk to police routine are fools. Don't be an asshole, be honest and they'll be decent back to you. Gotten me out of several tickets. Only one in nearly 15 years of driving was upstate NY and she walked up and announced I'd be getting a ticket immediately so that was a poor start.

But those were all speeding violations. I don't drink so the check points are a non-issue. Never mind that I've never seen one.
 
My point is if there is an abusive medical professional you have to go to him/her and you can always use referrals etc to decide who you go to as well as telling them to F...O... And walk out of the office, your choice. With a LEO that is not the case, and yes I've personally interacted with more than a few. I know LEOs, am related to LEOs, my best friend from childhood is a LEO. I'm not saying they are all abusive nor am I saying that most of them are abusive of their positions and authority, but there are enough (heck take that sized sample of the general population and now you have rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, spouse abusers and more with a gun, a badge and some authority) LEOs out there that even a small percentage means the odds are you will deal with at least one of the bad ones. So you just go on telling your kids and grand kids to be polite, never argue and do everything the nice LEO says and I hope they never run into any of the bad ones.

Wait are you stating that LEOs are now rapists, spouse abusers, and pedophiles? You do realize that if they are suspected of any of those that they loose their badge...
 
My point is if there is an abusive medical professional you have to go to him/her and you can always use referrals etc to decide who you go to as well as telling them to F...O... And walk out of the office, your choice. With a LEO that is not the case, and yes I've personally interacted with more than a few. I know LEOs, am related to LEOs, my best friend from childhood is a LEO. I'm not saying they are all abusive nor am I saying that most of them are abusive of their positions and authority, but there are enough (heck take that sized sample of the general population and now you have rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, spouse abusers and more with a gun, a badge and some authority) LEOs out there that even a small percentage means the odds are you will deal with at least one of the bad ones. So you just go on telling your kids and grand kids to be polite, never argue and do everything the nice LEO says and I hope they never run into any of the bad ones.

Holy crap. Are you serious? :crazy eyes:
I had to quote this cause it's priceless.
 
Wait are you stating that LEOs are now rapists, spouse abusers, and pedophiles? You do realize that if they are suspected of any of those that they loose their badge...

If you read what I wrote I said rapists, etc are LEOs (there is a difference) or are you telling me that no LEO has ever abused someone, killed someone that wasn't necessary, railroaded someone into jail raped anyone - not a single LEO? There isn't a blue shield/wall? If we can keep all the bad people out of law enforcement why can't we do it for schools, scouts or the church?

So if I offended you I apologize, and if you want to give up your rights then fine - just don't give up mine while you are at it.
 
Lol your quite insightful you should become a politician... You seem to have all the fixes for the world... by no means has it never happen but theres harsher reprocussions for it. I mean if you look how policing came about it was stricktly neighborhood watch trying to protect their area... but im sure you knew that already lol..
 
People who do this crap are looking for a reaction.

People who say DUI check points remind them of Nazi Germany is pretty funny too....I doubt they were in Nazi Germany for starters.

If you can't understand why DUI checkpoints are set up at curtains of the year, I don't know what to tell you.

They aren't a secret. They are broadcasted. "Between these hours on this date, we will have DUI checkpoints. Don't drink and drive."

Then there's the guy who wants to prove he knows his rights, when he doesn't. He'll recite two sentences and then declare he's right and being illegally detained. When he's not. They are never attorneys. They are never LEO's. They don't have any POST qualifications. They've never been through the LEO process. They are just embarrassing themselves but want to record it, then edit it to show they buddies.

Then there's the, "I PAY YOUR SALERY," guy. The reality is, if you are in the highest tax bracket, you pay less than $0.25 a year. I'll be happy to toss you a quarter when I make contact with you. Obviously you need it more than I do and, it's funny.

I disagree COMPLETELY.
Of course every reasonable person here understands the point behind DUI checkpoints. I am sure everyone also understands the point of TSA checkpoints at the airport, and people understand the point of the body scanners, and people understand the point of the NSA listening in on our telephone conversations. But thats just the POINT isn't it? Not all of us agree or even GET The point anymore.

At what POINT does encroachment of government in providing safety become excessive? At which point does the very founding principles of this great country become excessively diluted because someone had "good intentions" behind that one law? its death to the Constitution by a thousand paper cuts...law by law, inch by inch. Our Founding fathers would be crying. We've all heard these sayings

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

or

"What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
-Patrick Henry

Though I DO NOT support being senselessly rude to LE, or making comments about "I pay your salary", I also DO see the point in what these guys are trying to make. They are utilizing their Fourth Amendment rights to the fullest extent of the law. Does it make life difficult for LE? Maybe, but thats PART OF THE JOB. So what if one stop doesn't go their way? Thats what supervisors are for, and if necessary, thats what the chain of command is for. If the man/person/woman conducting themselves in this manner is breaking the law, arrest them. If not, then let them go. Cant figure it out? get on the radio and call someone who can. Its simple.

The ABSOLUTE WORST argument is "if you have nothing to hide, then let them search". That is bullshit. On the same premise, we should all just open our front doors and let them search our homes with our wives and kids present because we have nothing to hide and there was someone in our neighborhood that was hiding illicit drugs. Why stop there? Why not allow full body cavity searches? After all, the cops are just trying to do their jobs. The "If you have nothing to hide" mentality is what the Spanish Inquisition used to force innocents to confess guilt and its the exact SHEEPISH mentality that likely motivated our Founding Fathers to put the Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Cant figure out why people are saying modern times are like Nazi Germany? Take a look around at what the administration is doing with our rights, executive orders, NSA, etc. Then read a page out of history starting with the Weimar Republic through 1945. Then look at whats happening in our country and ask yourself if you see similarities. If you don't, stop watching CNBC. They are lying to you.
 
I disagree COMPLETELY.
Of course every reasonable person here understands the point behind DUI checkpoints. I am sure everyone also understands the point of TSA checkpoints at the airport, and people understand the point of the body scanners, and people understand the point of the NSA listening in on our telephone conversations. But thats just the POINT isn't it? Not all of us agree or even GET The point anymore.

At what POINT does encroachment of government in providing safety become excessive? At which point does the very founding principles of this great country become excessively diluted because someone had "good intentions" behind that one law? its death to the Constitution by a thousand paper cuts...law by law, inch by inch. Our Founding fathers would be crying. We've all heard these sayings

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

or

"What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
-Patrick Henry

Though I DO NOT support being senselessly rude to LE, or making comments about "I pay your salary", I also DO see the point in what these guys are trying to make. They are utilizing their Fourth Amendment rights to the fullest extent of the law. Does it make life difficult for LE? Maybe, but thats PART OF THE JOB. So what if one stop doesn't go their way? Thats what supervisors are for, and if necessary, thats what the chain of command is for. If the man/person/woman conducting themselves in this manner is breaking the law, arrest them. If not, then let them go. Cant figure it out? get on the radio and call someone who can. Its simple.

The ABSOLUTE WORST argument is "if you have nothing to hide, then let them search". That is bullshit. On the same premise, we should all just open our front doors and let them search our homes with our wives and kids present because we have nothing to hide and there was someone in our neighborhood that was hiding illicit drugs. Why stop there? Why not allow full body cavity searches? After all, the cops are just trying to do their jobs. The "If you have nothing to hide" mentality is what the Spanish Inquisition used to force innocents to confess guilt and its the exact SHEEPISH mentality that likely motivated our Founding Fathers to put the Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Cant figure out why people are saying modern times are like Nazi Germany? Take a look around at what the administration is doing with our rights, executive orders, NSA, etc. Then read a page out of history starting with the Weimar Republic through 1945. Then look at whats happening in our country and ask yourself if you see similarities. If you don't, stop watching CNBC. They are lying to you.

I would like to focus specifically on one portion of your post. You said that its "part of the job" for LEO's to be given a difficult time. You also said it could be solved by getting "on the radio and calling" someone who can figure the situation out.

First off I don't agree with the BP idiots not knowing full well that they aren't lawfully detaining anyone. They should pipe up and say, no you are free to leave.

However, attitudes like yours regarding making a LEO's already hard job, even harder is ridiculous. Attitudes like that are what make the job harder. The "you aren't the boss of me" attitude is what gets me. People think that if THEY don't think they did anything wrong, they don't have to stop, comply or even worse think they have the right to fight back. I can cite several incidents in the recent news where people get themselves hurt or worse due to this attitude.

Bottom line, know your rights but don't argue and act like a fool if you don't. Be prepared to deal with the consequences if you do.
 
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Seems like some of you have this argument that "everything is fine as long as you just trust your local L.E.O". Sorry Charlie, thats not the way the Constitution works. Thank God, our founding fathers didn't just "trust the Crown", "trust the local constable", and "trust the local tax collector" and say..."these guys are all working hard, and most of them have good intentions" before writing the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution doesn't say "Do whatever the hard working majority of LEO ask you to do", it says

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Cant find the part about trusting our hard working LEO friends.

Add in Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Still can't find the part about just trusting the judgement and goodwill of hard working LEO.
 
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