NEVER talk to the police!

10frank9 said:
I would like to focus specifically on one portion of your post. You said that its "part of the job" for LEO's to be given a difficult time. You also said it could be solved by getting "on the radio and calling" someone who can figure the situation out.

First off I don't agree with the BP idiots not knowing full well that they aren't lawfully detaining anyone. They should pipe up and say, no you are free to leave.

However, attitudes like yours regarding making a LEO's already hard job, even harder is ridiculous. Attitudes like that are what make the job harder. The "you aren't the boss of me" attitude is what gets me. People think that if THEY don't think they did anything wrong, they don't have to stop, comply or even worse think they have the right to fight back. I can cite several incidents in the recent news where people get themselves hurt or worse due to this attitude.

Bottom line, know your rights but don't argue and act like a fool if you don't. Be prepared to deal with the consequences if you do.
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I actually agree with you. I never said, I endorsed this type of behavior. I just articulated that understand that they are using these actions to illustrate their protections under the letter of the law. I agree that its these attitudes that cause unnecessary confrontation that can lead to undesired outcomes. There plenty of smarter ways to go about this, and no I don't endorse it. Same way I support almost all 2A causes but I think guys parading semi auto rifles in front of schools just because its legal is a form of jackassery.
 
SmokinV10 said:
I actually agree with you. I never said, I endorsed this type of behavior. I just articulated that understand that they are using these actions to illustrate their protections under the letter of the law. I agree that its these attitudes that cause unnecessary confrontation that can lead to undesired outcomes. There plenty of smarter ways to go about this, and no I don't endorse it. Same way I support almost all 2A causes but I think guys parading semi auto rifles in front of schools just because its legal is a form of jackassery.
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Well we can agree about one thing....
 
As a lawyer, I love to hear people talk about their rights. I wonder how many of these people have actually studied constitutional law (well, beyond what they learned in their high school gov't class or "absorbed" through listening to some radio disc jockey). Sorry, but the Bill of Rights is not absolute. If you think it is, you are crazy, or stupid, or both.

All of the slippery slope "if you let them do this then one day you will wake up and have no rights" arguments are a crock of shit and better suited for children who lack the brain power to understand the real world. The world is not always black and white; LEO's are not always out to get you; the gov't is not trying to steal away all of your "rights" in the dead of night; and no matter who you are (myself included), you are not nearly as important as you profess to be.

Sharkey's Bill of Rights:

This truth I hold self-evident, one can either act like a douche or not. If you choose the former, expect to be treated accordingly no matter what you think your rights are. If you choose the latter, your life and the lives of those around you will be much better.
 
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StrizzyChris said:
I actually found this video because someone I know was calling the kid a punk and that he deserves whatever the cops find him guilty of and I was in shock. The "do what they say and it'll all be over quickly and if you have nothing to hide then there shouldn't be anything to hide" mentality is sickening to me. We are supposed to be a free people who should never be detained unless we are suspected (with significant reason) of committing a crime. NOT to see if they can pry information out of us to find a crime that we may have committed. :idontknow:



THIS!!!
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One of the biggest problems I see, typically starts when some jackass is under the belief they are the ONLY person who has an understanding of the constitution. I can assure you every profession has the 1%. We have all heard the story, "well my friend got arrested for no reason, I seen it all". When this does happen, file a complaint so it can been addressed, funny thing when you really started digging into the story, typically their is a pretty good reason he was. Just like local or national jumping on the bash the LE band wagon, when they have 30% of the facts at best.

Comparing a DUI check to NSA phone taping, seriously. I can promise you the day your child, spouse or friend is killed by a drunk driver, you will demand justice and persecute local LE for not doing their job. Here is a thought for you don't drink and drive, or don't drink and then act like an ass, because the constitution says you can.

Do some LE abuse their power, yes. Do some dentists molest asleep patients yes, on and on and on. To be an advocate for never talking to LE, ya great idea. The same people who say "I ain't ever talking the cops, their all corrupt ", sure as shit pick up the phone and call 911 when their home is broken into, or when their wife gets car jacked , or when a family member becomes the victim of a homicide.
 
CharlieK said:
The same people who say "I ain't ever talking the cops, their all corrupt ", sure as shit pick up the phone and call 911 when their home is broken into, or when their wife gets car jacked , or when a family member becomes the victim of a homicide.
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And then they sue because they believe they have a Constitutional right to have 911 operators answer the phone and send someone to save their happy asses.
 
StrizzyChris said:
Not arguing here, just want to correct a misunderstanding/ miscommunication



I attempted on many posts to say that the abuse of power is very few...but those few that do abuse the power posses a frightening amount of power that others will give the benefit of the doubt over an alleged "criminal"



Again, I don't dislike a LEO doing their job, and actually applaud what they put up with on a daily basis. I thanked them last night when I performed a medical clearance for booking on 2 drunks racing at 100+ mph on the 101 while one vehicle had an unrestrained infant in the back car seat.

I am fearful that I'll have 1 beer with dinner and need to lie to an officer. Because I know that my patients that have "had a beer" or "just 2" usually means 7. Well I really only have 1 or I don't drive....but that's hard for me to believe in my patients and I know LEOs have a hard time believing it as well.



If a medical professional is negligent or performs any form of malpractice to a patient....then it should be reported and investigated.
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You won't fail an FST or a PBT if you've only had one beer.

I will give you some advice:

Two drinks is statistically the most common response to, "How much have you had you had to drink tonight?" I'll look at ya' funny if you say two.

What people don't know...maybe because they believe they can control it with "tolerance" is that they can control their responses. They can't. Statistically, failure of HGN indicates a BAC of over .08. If you fail HGN you'll find yourself in FST.

Anyways, don't say "two" unless you've had two.
 
SmokinV10 said:
I disagree COMPLETELY.
Of course every reasonable person here understands the point behind DUI checkpoints. I am sure everyone also understands the point of TSA checkpoints at the airport, and people understand the point of the body scanners, and people understand the point of the NSA listening in on our telephone conversations. But thats just the POINT isn't it? Not all of us agree or even GET The point anymore.

At what POINT does encroachment of government in providing safety become excessive? At which point does the very founding principles of this great country become excessively diluted because someone had "good intentions" behind that one law? its death to the Constitution by a thousand paper cuts...law by law, inch by inch. Our Founding fathers would be crying. We've all heard these sayings

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

or

"What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
-Patrick Henry

Though I DO NOT support being senselessly rude to LE, or making comments about "I pay your salary", I also DO see the point in what these guys are trying to make. They are utilizing their Fourth Amendment rights to the fullest extent of the law. Does it make life difficult for LE? Maybe, but thats PART OF THE JOB. So what if one stop doesn't go their way? Thats what supervisors are for, and if necessary, thats what the chain of command is for. If the man/person/woman conducting themselves in this manner is breaking the law, arrest them. If not, then let them go. Cant figure it out? get on the radio and call someone who can. Its simple.

The ABSOLUTE WORST argument is "if you have nothing to hide, then let them search". That is bullshit. On the same premise, we should all just open our front doors and let them search our homes with our wives and kids present because we have nothing to hide and there was someone in our neighborhood that was hiding illicit drugs. Why stop there? Why not allow full body cavity searches? After all, the cops are just trying to do their jobs. The "If you have nothing to hide" mentality is what the Spanish Inquisition used to force innocents to confess guilt and its the exact SHEEPISH mentality that likely motivated our Founding Fathers to put the Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Cant figure out why people are saying modern times are like Nazi Germany? Take a look around at what the administration is doing with our rights, executive orders, NSA, etc. Then read a page out of history starting with the Weimar Republic through 1945. Then look at whats happening in our country and ask yourself if you see similarities. If you don't, stop watching CNBC. They are lying to you.
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This doesn't make any sense.

To search a LEO needs to develop PC and specific PC. A LEO can't search just because. The same goes for writing warrants.

DUI check points have nothing to do with Nazi Germany or the Spanish Inquisition.

I have seen tragic fatalities due to intoxicated driving. If I reasonably suspect that you are intoxicated, I will investigate it.

I am an LEO. I understand what I do and why. I take my Oath seriously.

I'm sorry that that bothers you (not really).
 
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I don't agree with check points. I understand why they exist and the need for them specially in Texas home of the DWI. Personally I believe there are more productive things the police could be doing that standing around at check points.

I personally understand why the kid acted the way he did. When in high school I drove a restored (non factory big block) 71 Dodge Dart and got pulled over every single day by the same fat ass police officer. Dealing with him for a year I no longer deal with the questions ever cop ask when they pull someone over. When I get pulled over there will be absolutely no conversation about where I am going or where I'm coming from. You as a officer will do four things, 1come to my window. 2 You then will receive my license and insurance. 3 You then will go back to your car write either a warning or a ticket. 4 Then you will come back to my car give it to me and that will be the end of the encounter. I don't owe any explanation regardless if it makes you feel more comfortable with the situation or with me and you won't get ur.
 
shadow21 said:
I don't agree with check points. I understand why they exist and the need for them specially in Texas home of the DWI. Personally I believe there are more productive things the police could be doing that standing around at check points.
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Saving lives is not productive for LEO's. I completely see your point.
 
shadow21 said:
I don't agree with check points. I understand why they exist and the need for them specially in Texas home of the DWI. Personally I believe there are more productive things the police could be doing that standing around at check points.

I personally understand why the kid acted the way he did. When in high school I drove a restored (non factory big block) 71 Dodge Dart and got pulled over every single day by the same fat ass police officer. Dealing with him for a year I no longer deal with the questions ever cop ask when they pull someone over. When I get pulled over there will be absolutely no conversation about where I am going or where I'm coming from. You as a officer will do four things, 1come to my window. 2 You then will receive my license and insurance. 3 You then will go back to your car write either a warning or a ticket. 4 Then you will come back to my car give it to me and that will be the end of the encounter. I don't owe any explanation regardless if it makes you feel more comfortable with the situation or with me and you won't get ur.
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Just when I think it's not possible to go full retard someone proves me wrong.
 
After watching the video, I can only comment the following: You put yourself in that position. With so many streets to travel why travel that particular one? If you grab the pitbull by the tail you think he's not going to want to bite? With freedom comes common sense. Next time just go around. In Las Vegas the DUI checkpoints are announced everywhere especially on the local radio. Makes no sense.
 
OverlanderJK said:
Just when I think it's not possible to go full retard someone proves me wrong.
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Yes making the officer do exactly what he is supposed to do makes me the retard. That or I bet your in some type of law enforcement and think your "baloney pony" grew a foot when you got a badge and gun. Being pulled over is not a social visit and it's not a interrogation. It is a instance where I broke the law and a need ticket needs to be wrote and that's it.

I dont disrespect the cop or anything I just say I'm not going to answer your questions and Id like this to go by fast. I'm guilty and I know it so... I just want the ticket and to move along
 
shadow21 said:
Yes making the officer do exactly what he is supposed to do makes me the retard. That or I bet your in some type of law enforcement and think your "baloney pony" grew a foot when you got a badge and gun. Being pulled over is not a social visit and it's not a interrogation. It is a instance where I broke the law and a need ticket needs to be wrote and that's it.

I dont disrespect the cop or anything I just say I'm not going to answer your questions and Id like this to go by fast. I'm guilty and I know it so... I just want the ticket and to move along
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Not a cop and not going to respond with more then this. I have respect for other humans and acting like you state you do is disrespectful to anyone. You are also the type that would cry bloody murder for the cop giving you shit for acting like a complete and totally jackass. Get over yourself and have some respect.
 
shadow21 said:
Yes making the officer do exactly what he is supposed to do makes me the retard. That or I bet your in some type of law enforcement and think your "baloney pony" grew a foot when you got a badge and gun. Being pulled over is not a social visit and it's not a interrogation. It is a instance where I broke the law and a need ticket needs to be wrote and that's it.

I dont disrespect the cop or anything I just say I'm not going to answer your questions and Id like this to go by fast. I'm guilty and I know it so... I just want the ticket and to move along
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Dude, are you for real? You don't disrespect a cop? You don't think other things are going through the officers mind when he is talking to you. Maybe your vehicle matches the description of an Amber alert. Maybe he is running your plates. Depending on the citation, maybe he is assessing if you are impaired. Or probably a list of other things I can't think of. The visit is a situation assessment for the safety of you, others and the LEO.

I can only pray you do not procreate and pass your genetic stupidity onto an innocent child. If you have, I hope they finish 4th grade so they will be smarter than you to understand the crap you're saying.
 
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