Loaded 2012 Unlimited trail ready JK - Better then a Rubicon

[Irish JK]

I guess. It's sad though that I have been a member just about as long as the guys that were trolling me, but somehow in their warped world, post count has bearing on legitimacy. Fact of the matter is I have been on this forum for a while, I currently own 3 Jeeps (The 2012 JK that i'm thinking about selling, a 90' YJ, and a 2011 WK2 Overland) and I really have nothing to prove to the trolls on here. Trolls aside this forum is generally a great place for research and to see what's going on in the community.

A world where post count makes someone "legit" is not a world I want to be a part of... Especially when half of the peoples posts that have these high counts are trolling posts or "welcome to WAYALIFE" posts.

I can understand the trolls. They were doing their job... Trolling, the one thing that really bothered me was the moderator suggesting that something was ok by the law, which I know for a fact isn't. That's really irresponsible. There are a lot of people like me who use this forum for research, and many of them view a Mod's word as gospel. When they see a Mod saying that he "thinks" a long arm lift is legal in such and such a state, that could potentially cause issues for them down the road if they install said life and try to get it inspected.

Dude it was a joke and I can promise you, post count doesn't matter as much to a lot of these guys as some people would like to think. If you have 10,000 post or 10, it doesn't matter if you are a fun, supportive part of the family.

And no one suggested you break any laws. People only were questioning the actuality and legality of said "laws". I personally own vehicles registered in MD and it really isn't that big of a deal compared to some of the other states I own vehicles in.

 

[Deserteagle83]

Dude it was a joke

I got it. It was done in jest. You weren't bashing. I've just gotten used to being defensive to what anyone says on this thread. Didn't mean to come off offensive.

And no one suggested you break any laws. People only were questioning the actuality and legality of said "laws". I personally own vehicles registered in MD and it really isn't that big of a deal compared to some of the other states I own vehicles in.

The lift part is less of an issue for me, and more of an issue for someone that might attempt to use this forum for information. I know what the MD law is. I would just hate to see someone get bad info from a Mod on here and put themselves behind the 8-ball.

 

[HighwayTrout]

I've been a member of the HAMB (google it) for over ten years. I've seen the same thing happen to that great forum (and it's still great BTW ).
Of course what I'm talking about is guys taking a forum way to seriously and "bullying" every new or even not so new members over the most retarded things. Case in point. This thread here. A guy comes in to sell his rig and has a lot of stuff on it that this forum doesn't like.

Instead of brushing it off and letting this thread disappear into the abyss.
Opinions and bashing of the poor guys jeep ensues. Granted yes the guy was talking it up and making it sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's trying to sell it for crying out loud! Your supposed to try and make it sound good! Doesn't mean you have to agree with it or even like it.

Kind of sad actually to see and read some of these responses. Clearly none of you would walk up to this man and tell him how lame his jeep is and he's asking way to much money for it. It's disrespectful, rude and none of our got dang business what he does with his money and vehicle.
Why do it on the internet?


Am I being a troll?
Whatever.....

 

[Sharkey]

Where the hell did I say that. Find the post. Quote it and repost it! I stated that I planned my build and purchased the best mods to suit my needs. I bought the best lift to suit my needs, the best wheels to suit my needs, and the best everything that I could find to suit my needs. I was bashed hard and for days before I responded. Maybe you should retread this thread. I was provoked and agitated. It's pretty easy to see how this all went down.

And for the record if this is the treatment that a long time member gets, the. You can have it, your ability to bash someone for their choices and to post endless comments bashing them doesn't make you a god and it doesn't contribute to your forum. Go back and look at how this went down. All of my statements were DEFENSIVE statements. You aren't saying chit about your fellow forum junkies bashing me, but somehow I'm the asshole when I respond to the bashing. Screw you.

I "retread" the thread just as you asked. Here you go,

Exhibit A:

All I see is cheap garbage. Craps in mine in what universe? Home made SPOD. I'm sure that rig will be the next one on the trail catching fire. No front locker listed. XRC rock slider (the KIA of jeep accessories). And no winch. So when you attempt to follow me and get stuck you wont be able to self recover. not to mention I saw no rear bumpber mod so you have a 37 sitting on your rear deck. Ha. I'm done here. I see you don't actually know what you're talking about.

The Rough Country 4" X-series was the most hard core lift I could get that would allow me to stay streetable and pass inspections.

On my last wheeling outing at Rausch Creek I drove AROUND a stuck Rubicon on two separate occasions to snatch him out. I remember doing the same thing at Red Cloud off-road for a 2-door Rubicon this past winter. A Rubicon wouldn't hold a flame to this jeep.

Most guys that mod a jeep add a lift and tires and call it done. This is far from a sticker upgraded 4x4. But as I'm beginning to realize most people don't know the true cost to build a rig until they build one. I'm also starting to see that most people think a Rubicon is the be all, end all of off-roading. (that is until they wheel with a modified rig and see how if compares to a Rubicon)

All i ever hear is Rubicon this, and Rubicon that, yet I've never seen a Rubicon make it through black trails or even be able to wheel hard without breaking parts. I'm not knocking it. For a factory production vehicle a Rubicon is in it's own class and can't be touched. But in my opinion there is no way to compare a modded trail rig to a showroom stock jeep. Especially when considdering capabilities.

You're right... I could get a brand new Rubicon for close to what I'm asking... Then you'd have to drop another 25k on it to get it even to this jeep. So you'd be close to 60k in, when you could just pick this one up in the thirties.

And inferior? Lets compare rigs. Better yet, tell me what part/mod is inferior. Even better yet... Lets wheel together.

I can take the hate. Keep it coming. And while we're at it, lets compare rigs.

And I doubt that you rig would follow mine without damage. But i'd be willing to accept that bet.

Compare my lift to any other none-long-arm lift out there. Compare it part for part. Show me one better. I'll make it easy for you. I'll even add the link below. Find me a non long-arm lift with a better parts list. I'm sure you'll say something like "I don't have time for that" or some other answer that really means. "You won".

If you're gonna say something is sub par, and then not list a better option then your opinion is invalid.

Jeep has sub-par parts... What the hella are you even saying? Tell me what none long arm lift has better parts than the lift I chose. I'm still waiting. I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a while.

You might follow me on a trail, but you'd leave behind your fenders, have holes in your oil pan, holes gas tanks, and bent rocker panels.

Are you on drugs? First of all, those are brands. Not actual lifts. In any case I went to the Rock Krawler website and picked their best none long arm lift that compares height wise to what I have. The parts list doesn't compare. None of those BRANDS have a lift that part for part compares to the one I picked. I picked mine for a reason. Compare the heim joints and track bar on your RK lift to the X-series that I have. If you say that the RK is better quality you are smoking crack.

I chose to get the best lift I could find... Forum argument aside, compare it part for part to the brands that are touted on this forum. I found that the parts list was better. I could care less about labels, I only care about what company has the best product. When it came to a none long arm lift, my research said it was my X-series. If you're trolling, I'm sure you won't agree. If you actually take a look at what is offered, i'll let you decide on your own.

It was by trolling poeple that post quality gear for sale. And like I said. If my ride is crap, lets compare.

 

[OverlanderJK]

I guess. It's sad though that I have been a member just about as long as the guys that were trolling me, but somehow in their warped world, post count has bearing on legitimacy. Fact of the matter is I have been on this forum for a while, I currently own 3 Jeeps (The 2012 JK that i'm thinking about selling, a 90' YJ, and a 2011 WK2 Overland) and I really have nothing to prove to the trolls on here. Trolls aside this forum is generally a great place for research and to see what's going on in the community.

A world where post count makes someone "legit" is not a world I want to be a part of... Especially when half of the peoples posts that have these high counts are trolling posts or "welcome to WAYALIFE" posts.

I can understand the trolls. They were doing their job... Trolling, the one thing that really bothered me was the moderator suggesting that something was ok by the law, which I know for a fact isn't. That's really irresponsible. There are a lot of people like me who use this forum for research, and many of them view a Mod's word as gospel. When they see a Mod saying that he "thinks" a long arm lift is legal in such and such a state, that could potentially cause issues for them down the road if they install said life and try to get it inspected.

You can refer to me by name. And if you prove me wrong I will say I am wrong. But you have yet to do so.

 

[Deserteagle83]

I stand by every statement made! They were all DEFENSIVE statements made to one of your trolls. And they all were true. NOTHING posted there is not factual, and nothing posted is me boasting. Your trolls called my mods crap. I wanted to know what was better if it was crap. And I stand by the fact that I made the best choice for all of my mods for what I wanted my outcome to be.

If I wanted to build a non-tagable striclty off-road ride i'd have gone a different route. Hell... For that matter if I wanted to build a strictly mall crawler I'd have gone a different route.

 

[Deserteagle83]

You can refer to me by name. And if you prove me wrong I will say I am wrong. But you have yet to do so.

I don't have to prove you're wrong. You're the Mod. Why isn't the burden of proof on you to prove that you are right. I KNOW what the law is. I live in the state and have first hand information. I have been to the inspection station in the state. You are the purveyor of truth on here. You are the mod. Why isn't it YOUR job to prove you are right?

 

[OverlanderJK]

I don't have to prove you're wrong. You're the Mod. Why isn't the burden of proof on you to prove that you are right. I KNOW what the law is. I live in the state and have first hand information. I have been to the inspection station in the state. You are the purveyor of truth on here. You are the mod. Why isn't it YOUR job to prove you are right?

I have posted links that show the inspection laws, which do not state long arm is illegal.

What does me being a mod have to do with you being an asshat? :asshat:

 

[Sharkey]

I stand by every statement made! They were all DEFENSIVE statements made to one of your trolls. And they all were true. NOTHING posted there is not factual, and nothing posted is me boasting. Your trolls called my mods crap. I wanted to know what was better if it was crap. And I stand by the fact that I made the best choice for all of my mods for what I wanted my outcome to be.

If I wanted to build a non-tagable striclty off-road ride i'd have gone a different route. Hell... For that matter if I wanted to build a strictly mall crawler I'd have gone a different route.

I'm glad you like your lift. I'm glad you believe replacing 8 factory control arms to run 35's on a 4" lift was necessary, even though it appears you didn't replace your driveshafts. I'm glad you have dual steering stabilizers and mono tube shocks, and a frame side drop bracket for your track bar. I'm sure all of those parts suit (not suite) your needs just fine. I'm also glad you willingly follow what your inspection station tells you, regardless of what the burden of proof would really be under the written law. Can we be friends now?:friends:

 

[Deserteagle83]

I have posted links that show the inspection laws, which do not state long arm is illegal.

What does me being a mod have to do with you being an asshat? :asshat:

OK. Yea. I'm an asshat because I'm trying to sell a jeep that i built on a forum that I respect and I'm forced to defend every single decision that I made in building it. And yea, i'm an asshat for defending by rig against slanderous untrue statement. If that makes me an asshat, then so be it. And you are a bully dickwod for bashing and questioning everything I have typed for no other reason other than to do it. So i'm an asshat, and you're a dickwod. I can live with that.

 

[Deserteagle83]

I'm glad you like your lift. I'm glad you believe replacing 8 factory control arms to run 35's on a 4" lift was necessary, even though it appears you didn't replace your driveshafts. I'm glad you have dual steering stabilizers and mono tube shocks, and a frame side drop bracket for your track bar. I'm sure all of those parts suit (not suite) your needs just fine. I'm also glad you willingly follow what your inspection station tells you, regardless of what the burden of proof would really be under the written law. Can we be friends now?:friends:

The lift wasn't done to run bigger tires. The lift was to get added capability offroad. I wanted the most flex I could get on a 35 and stay legal. You tell me how I could have done it better. And no... I didn't replace my driveshafts. I have had the suspension flexed to the max and had no issues. And yes. My single steering stabilizer with a dual shock fits me just fine. Never had any bump steer issues. Do you critique every jeep on this forum as such?

And as far as the lift goes. So you're telling me you would have gone with a long arm (and potentially sacrificed highway performance... I'm sure someone here is going to argue with me about that statement) and then wasted THOUSANDS of dollars to fight the state of MD. By all means you are a better man than I and have much more free time than I do. In any case, regardless of what the state law says, a long arm wouldn't fit my needs.

 

[ridg3runner]

OK. Yea. I'm an asshat because I'm trying to sell a jeep that i built on a forum that I respect and I'm forced to defend every single decision that I made in building it. And yea, i'm an asshat for defending by rig against slanderous untrue statement. If that makes me an asshat, then so be it. And you are a bully dickwod for bashing and questioning everything I have typed for no other reason other than to do it. So i'm an asshat, and you're a dickwod. I can live with that.

He respects the forum, just not the people in it or the rules he agreed to when he slithered in.

 

[Conman]

I feel compelled to chime in even though I do not usually participate in this sort of topic.

You have a very nice Jeep and am sure you put lots of hard work and money into it. I am sure in your mind and in many others it is worth every penny you are asking for it. Problem is most members on this forum probably do not. Being on this forum as long as you have, you probably know what products are preferred by the guys that call this home.

I had a similar situation with some tools. Tried to sell a nice rolling tool box full of craftsman tools on a tool forum that leaned heavily towards Snap On. It didn't go to well. Point is I found a better suited forum to sell them on.

People are always welcome on runs no matter what they run but trying to get top dollar for parts that this community looks as sub par probably isn't gonna do to well.

Anyway good luck with the sale.

 

[Deserteagle83]

He respects the forum, just not the people in it or the rules he agreed to when he slithered in.

I don't recpect YOU because you're a dick. I have no issue with most others on this forum. Even the MOD that is grilling me about the lift law. I understand where he is coming from. You on the other hand. You are troll scum. You add nothing to the conversation

 

[Deserteagle83]

I wasn't going to say much about your ad since, granted, you have been a member for a while...BUT, here you are sitting here blowing your own horn about how badass you THINK your rig is with it's Dana30 with sleeves, (which is like lipstick on a pig),and all it's inferior aftermarket crap parts. You should keep it, it suits you.

Section 7 for starters.
http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/getfile.aspx?file=11.14.02.04.htm

 

[Sharkey]

The lift wasn't done to run bigger tires. The lift was to get added capability offroad. I wanted the most flex I could get on a 35 and stay legal. You tell me how I could have done it better. And no... I didn't replace my driveshafts. I have had the suspension flexed to the max and had no issues. And yes. My single steering stabilizer with a dual shock fits me just fine. Never had any bump steer issues. Do you critique every jeep on this forum as such?

And as far as the lift goes. So you're telling me you would have gone with a long arm (and potentially sacrificed highway performance... I'm sure someone here is going to argue with me about that statement) and then wasted THOUSANDS of dollars to fight the state of MD. By all means you are a better man than I and have much more free time than I do. In any case, regardless of what the state law says, a long arm wouldn't fit my needs.

Actually, I generally don't have a problem with your build. It's yours, not mine. I have a problem with your attitude. But, if you want my honest opinion here is just one point. At that lift height you should have, at a minimum, replaced your front driveshaft. You have a 2012. If you haven't torn your front boot it is likely because you have not disconnected your sway bar and truly flexed out your Jeep on a run. Don't believe me? I don't really care. If you wheel your Jeep as hard as you claim to the boot will tear and you will likely also have issues at the TC due to the angle of the driveshaft. Again, don't believe me? I don't really care. Think what you want but if you keep your Jeep you should really look into an aftermarket front shaft and possibly a rear one as well so you can actually put those rear control arms to use. Sometimes, buying the "best" lift means only buying those parts that you need and not buying something just because it seems to have every part possible.

No, I'm not saying you should have gone with a long arm lift. To the contrary, I don't think you would get that much benefit out of one (considering the cost) given that you are only running 35's. Do they sacrifice highway performance? Not if they are installed correctly. A proper long arm lift improves highway performance on a Jeep with taller tires and a lift. You made a claim about what the law says. You were incorrect. MD code does not expressly render long arm lifts illegal. Whether it does or does not is really not the point. Again, my problem is with your attitude.

This conversation has been pointless from its inception. You are going to believe what you want to believe because that is how you are wired.

 

[JAGS]

Every time I go to post something, more nonsense keeps getting thrown out. To the OP:

Realize this is a "for sale" thread on a site frequented by jeep enthusiast and those that do a lot of research on quality/top quality parts. Much of that research is first-hand on the trail with various lift manufacturers. You open posts to comment when put on a public forum. Maybe should just do this on CL or Ebay Motors?

When you started this thread, you had few posts, regardless of when your sign-up date was.

You're not supposed to drink Creek water....we've seen the results time and time again.

Thank you for service! Should we put you with the other vets that are also now vets of this site?

You asked for proof of your tude, were given proof (via Sharkey), so don't make excuses for it.

From someone with a stock Rubi for WAY to long, I'd rather have a rubi than the Jeep mods you posted. I wheeled some pretty good trails completely stock and had fun doing so. I wouldn't say your rig is better than a "just off the showroom floor rubi." Why, because that is new and yours is used and wheeled heavily. So much so, I might be cautious to buy such a heavily wheeled and used sport model.

Your claim that it would take $25K to build a rubi to match your specs is 100% false. I know because mine is just recently built to better-than-your-specs, and my wife would kill me if I spent anywhere close to an extra $25K

You're not going to sell your rig "as-is" here, so stop defended the build and good luck on the sale somewhere else. Seriously though, good luck as I'm sure there is a new to jeep person that would look at it and hear what you have to say and fall in love with it. :yup: It's clearly not going to happen here.

With all the above said, let this go and become an active member. There are plenty of threads to post on in the pub or to chime in with your thoughts throughout many areas. Share a beverage. Have a cold one. Grill something up, but be open to learning how not to cut with grain....mostly:cheesy: (ask me how I know).

If you've been around as long as you say you have, you know we like to pounce. Don't feed into it. We've all been pounced on here. Don't be the guy who needs vag wash as that is what makes the stay short lived or for us to note things like post count. Post count really doesn't matter. It's the nature of the posts ad the camaraderie you become part of...which can happen in 5 posts or not at all.

So what did I miss while I was typing this..... I'm sure it will be fun to read. Note that use of as bullets means I'm not being an :asshat: or a troll. :yup:

 

[ridg3runner]

I don't recpect YOU because you're a dick. I have no issue with most others on this forum. Even the MOD that is grilling me about the lift law. I understand where he is coming from. You on the other hand. You are troll scum. You add nothing to the conversation

I told you lastnight that if you're looking for pity from me you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't give pity to people like you that think you're better than anyone else.

 

[Deserteagle83]

Actually, I generally don't have a problem with your build. It's yours, not mine. I have a problem with your attitude.

I didn't start getting defensive until I started getting attacked. HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO RESPOND WHEN GETTING ATTACKED AT ALL ANGLES? Do I have an attitude HELL YES! This last post by you (aside from the snarky condescending "you're gonna believe what you want to believe" comments) was a critique that was not meant to bash. I agree with some points, not with others, but it was informative none the less. You troll friends called my choices crap, cheap chinese garbage, and other things. Not once did they offer other routes they would have taken, or speak to why they would have gone a different route. Not once did they offer anything beneficial to this conversation. I have no issue with you or this forum in general. As a matter of fact if you don't feed the trolls as I did. (It's amazing what the "add to ignore list" button does for trolls) If this thread would have gone like this from the beginning It would have been a lot better for everyone, but your trolls took over and began to bash me from the beginning.

Also, as far as the MD lift goes. I am not wrong. A long arm lift is illegal in MD. Anyone that has attempted to or will attempt to get a long arm lifted jeep inspected in MD will attest to this fact. You are stating no evidence to the contrary, only my lack of evidence. It's a logical fallacy to state that something is false due to lack of evidence proving it true.

 

[Deserteagle83]

I told you lastnight that if you're looking for pity from me you're barking up the wrong tree. I don't give pity to people like you that think you're better than anyone else.

I don't think I'm better than everyone else, just YOU. You are 100% right that i think I'm better than you. You are a trolling internet bully. You are the scum of the internet. You offer nothing beneficial to the conversation.