Trail Ready Beadlock Wheels Installation Write-Up

wayoflife said:
Negative. You need to install them dry.


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I was curious so I sent TR an email and this is what they sent back....


TR Wheel Sales <contact@trailready.com>
7:16 AM (28 minutes ago)

to me
Anti-seize is recommended, especially in highly corrosive areas.

Sales Support
TR Beadlock Wheels
PO Box 699
1005 W Hazel St
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-503-1901
Fax 425-347-3079
www.trbeadlocks.com
www.facebook.com/TRBeadlocks
 
Clearskies said:
I was curious so I sent TR an email and this is what they sent back....


TR Wheel Sales <contact@trailready.com>
7:16 AM (28 minutes ago)

to me
Anti-seize is recommended, especially in highly corrosive areas.

Sales Support
TR Beadlock Wheels
PO Box 699
1005 W Hazel St
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-503-1901
Fax 425-347-3079
www.trbeadlocks.com
www.facebook.com/TRBeadlocks
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LOL!! Funny how they make NO mention of it in their instructions but actually make a note to use "DRY" torque values for the wheel lugs.
http://trbeadlocks.com/Websites/trwheels/files/Content/3855984/Beadlockinstall.pdf

All I can go off of is what I've always been taught regarding dry vs. wet torque values. Dry is ALWAYS greater and by a considerable amount depending on the bolt size. Unless it's stated specifically in the instructions provided, I always go off of dry values. This is the same for ATX, KMC and the Walkers I've run before and if I recall correctly, they specifically note to install them dry.
 
wayoflife said:
LOL!! Funny how they make NO mention of it in their instructions but actually make a note to use "DRY" torque values for the wheel lugs.
http://trbeadlocks.com/Websites/trwheels/files/Content/3855984/Beadlockinstall.pdf

All I can go off of is what I've always been taught regarding dry vs. wet torque values. Dry is ALWAYS greater and by a considerable amount depending on the bolt size. Unless it's stated specifically in the instructions provided, I always go off of dry values. This is the same for ATX, KMC and the Walkers I've run before and if I recall correctly, they specifically note to install them dry.
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Yep, dry gives you the most accurate final torque. I mean who’s to say what the torque really is when you apply any kind of lube since the range of viscosity is so broad?

I’m also not sure how much I trust the salesman’s word either. He could’ve just opened up an email and wrote back what he thinks is right instead of actually asking someone who knows.


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wayoflife said:
LOL!! Funny how they make NO mention of it in their instructions but actually make a note to use "DRY" torque values for the wheel lugs.
http://trbeadlocks.com/Websites/trwheels/files/Content/3855984/Beadlockinstall.pdf

All I can go off of is what I've always been taught regarding dry vs. wet torque values. Dry is ALWAYS greater and by a considerable amount depending on the bolt size. Unless it's stated specifically in the instructions provided, I always go off of dry values. This is the same for ATX, KMC and the Walkers I've run before and if I recall correctly, they specifically note to install them dry.
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I definitely remember the Dry values but just because, I wanted to send them a note because I didn't see where they said to use or not use...
Next time I pull the bolts I'll use it. I wonder what the torque is for wet???
I'll send another email I suppose
 
Exodus Jeeps said:
Yep, dry gives you the most accurate final torque. I mean who’s to say what the torque really is when you apply any kind of lube since the range of viscosity is so broad?

I’m also not sure how much I trust the salesman’s word either. He could’ve just opened up an email and wrote back what he thinks is right instead of actually asking someone who knows.
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Exactly! :thumb:

Clearskies said:
I definitely remember the Dry values but just because, I wanted to send them a note because I didn't see where they said to use or not use...
Next time I pull the bolts I'll use it. I wonder what the torque is for wet???
I'll send another email I suppose
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Being that wet values are always LESS and by a considerable amount, tightening to dry values WILL leave you with bolts that have been over-torqued. This is one of the main reasons why guys end up with broken bolts.
 
wayoflife said:
Exactly! :thumb:



Being that wet values are always LESS and by a considerable amount, tightening to dry values WILL leave you with bolts that have been over-torqued. This is one of the main reasons why guys end up with broken bolts.
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I have no doubt that what you say is true but this is the latest response from TR...



TR Wheel Sales
9:38 AM (4 minutes ago)

to me
Torque max 20 lb ft dry and 25 lb ft lubricated.


Sales Support
TR Beadlock Wheels
PO Box 699
1005 W Hazel St
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-503-1901
Fax 425-347-3079
www.trbeadlocks.com
www.facebook.com/TRBeadlocks
 
Clearskies said:
I have no doubt that what you say is true but this is the latest response from TR...



TR Wheel Sales
9:38 AM (4 minutes ago)

to me
Torque max 20 lb ft dry and 25 lb ft lubricated.


Sales Support
TR Beadlock Wheels
PO Box 699
1005 W Hazel St
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-503-1901
Fax 425-347-3079
www.trbeadlocks.com
www.facebook.com/TRBeadlocks
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LOL!! Right, because if you have less resistance, you should apply more torque - WTF. Whoever you're talking to there is starting to scare me. If anything, it should be the other way around. Here is a torque spec chart that shows dry and wet values. Believe who you want but I can't make this stuff up.

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I'm no engineer, but from real world experience with my wife, she is not a happy camper if I use the same torque unlubricated as I would lubricated.
 
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I've been told that dry values are always more that wet values but you are saying exactly the opposite. I just want to be sure I'm correct. Is what I've been told incorrect in relation to wet/dry values?

Thanks,
Don



TR Wheel Sales
10:54 AM (26 minutes ago)

to me
Good catch, I typed that backwards.

Torque max 25 lb ft dry and 20 lb ft lubricated.


Sales Support
TR Beadlock Wheels
PO Box 699
1005 W Hazel St
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-503-1901
Fax 425-347-3079
www.trbeadlocks.com
www.facebook.com/TRBeadlocks




Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:49 AM



10:57 AM (24 minutes ago)

to TR
Thanks, I know I'm being a pain but I want it right. The install paperwork says 20 lb dry...





TR Wheel Sales
11:17 AM (4 minutes ago)

to me
20 works but up to 25 is fine


Sales Support
TR Beadlock Wheels
PO Box 699
1005 W Hazel St
Mount Vernon, WA 98273
360-503-1901
Fax 425-347-3079
www.trbeadlocks.com
www.facebook.com/TRBeadlocks
 
Whew! Glad they clarified that. When you're only working with 20-25 ft. lbs., an addition 5 lbs is quite a bit more. Would really suck if people went out there tightening their wet bolts to 10 ft. lbs. or more than they really should.
 
wayoflife said:
Whew! Glad they clarified that. When you're only working with 20-25 ft. lbs., an addition 5 lbs is quite a bit more. Would really suck if people went out there tightening their wet bolts to 10 ft. lbs. or more than they really should.
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I'm a little disappointed with the inaccurate info but at least nailed them down...
 
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