Old news but in case there are any doubters - TeraFlex Tire Carrier Break

[wayoflife]

What? I thought the stock carrier/tailgate never fails.

Forget all the jeep forums, you going to argue with edmunds. Are they a Joke?

http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/wrangle...-jeep-wrangler-sport-rear-tailgate-crack.html

What? That's not a factory tire and by the looks of it, not on a factory wheel? Is it possible that the tire could have been allowed to jiggle around like I always say will cause a break? What??

Yeah, you damn right I'm gonna argue with a half ass blog post that doesn't give any specifics. They are a Joke just like you. You want to believe blindly in your beloved tire carrier, please do so but please do us all a favor and keep an eye on it just in case.

Seriously, guys like you amaze me :naw:

 

[cozdude]

What? I thought the stock carrier/tailgate never fails.

Forget all the jeep forums, you going to argue with edmunds. Are they a Joke?

http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/wrangle...-jeep-wrangler-sport-rear-tailgate-crack.html

these are spot weld failures on the tailgate itself, not the carrier failing

 

[wayoflife]

The problem with those welds braking is the internet. You always see pics of broken welds, but never the backstory, and 9 times out of 10, someone ran a large tire with lower backspacing and never took care of their bumpstops. As a result, the tire jiggled, and stressed the welds, causing them to break.

Impossible! This is Edmunds!! Are you really going to argue with them?? :naw:

 

[olram30]

denial is a hard pill to swallow.
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the refusal to satisfy a claim, request, desire, etc., or the refusal of a person making it

 

[Sharkey]

...I sympathize with people wanting to defend the $700 they spent, but if I did that all the time I'd be perpetually atoning for strippers and the Teraflex carrier.

:clap2::clap2::cheesy::cheesy:

 

[texas05]

Ah, that explains it. I wonder why he left. I mean, was I supposed to lose my temper at him or something? :thinking: :idontknow:



Honestly, I'm not so sure I could understand spending over $700 for something the factory tire carrier already does BETTER. To this day, I have never seen a factory tailgate hinge fail - NOT ONE. While I have seen spot welds fail on the sheet metal and even a tire carrier crack, both were the result of no isolators being present and the spare tire jiggling around. Not that I would even recommend wheeling with a big spare like that but, the fact remains, this "heavy duty" tire carrier, something that's supposed to be an improvement over stock has clearly shown itself to be anything but. As you have pointed out, I have simply pointed it out and for what I believe is a good reason.



The sad truth is, this is just one part that they've made that has seen breaks. The others have been their front track bar and long arm brackets.

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?5169-TeraFlex-Front-Track-Bar-Breaks

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?4743-TeraFlex-Long-Arm-Bracket-Break&highlight=teraflex+breaks

Again, I just can't make this stuff up.

For the love of god, did you really just finally answer my question?? Jeeze, it only took 4 times and a bunch of excuses and now all of a sudded, you have no proof. How convenient. :rolleyes2:



You only have to show proof when you go around making statements like they are fact. Imagine if I just started a post that TeraFlex tire carriers break without posting any pics to back them up. Hell, even with pics, guys like you will fight tooth and nail to suggest that it's all fiction, an isolated case, and improper install or what have you. :naw:



So why don't you? That would have made what you have to say more credible but, without pics and getting a full understanding of what was going on, still questionable.

As I have stated in the past, I have seen spot welds break on the tailgate but EVERY SINGLE TIME, it was caused by jiggling of the spare.



Funny isn't it? How you only heard about it here? Isn't it odd that there were so many people even then who were trying to accuse me of just bashing on TeraFlex for god know what reason I might have? And now we have you arguing up a storm over it too and all for what I wonder? Clearly, guys like you will buy whatever it is you want to buy regardless of what you might see. Hell, there's only been 2 or 3 cases of it and only reported here, right? So move on and enjoy your purchase and maybe even spend more time on your other forums where they all praise your beloved tire carrier.



And I'm glad they earned your money. Not like they would have any incentive to sell you something.



What's a shame is that you felt the need to come on to a thread to defend a product tooth and nail and just because it was something you chose to buy. You say that I put up great information but, apparently, when it come to products you love, it's "bad information". Of course, this is regardless of the FACTS I've posted.

Let me summarize my position, the stock carrier/hinge is a problem waiting to happen with a larger tire/extra weight, TF addressed the issue with the early version, the carrier can be adjusted for backspacing down to 3", and this can be installed incorrectly possibly leading to future issues just like anything else. You argued on each of those while calling me a fanboy, joke, and that kinda of guy. Never did I dispute there was an issue with the initial version even though no one else that I can find has an account of it anywhere.

Why did I continue? Not to defend Teraflex but rather that people would knowingly bolt on dangerous items and that they were "sold shit" by vendors that don't care. I can run anything and actually bought the carrier 2 weeks ago. Also all that was really said is to read all about it, flying tires! No one was really trying to figure out what the issue was other than it's made in China or Teraflex makes crap. I'm not perfect and people get caught in the moment but reflecting on the exchange what should occur is a root cause analysis about why is it failing, how can we prevent it, is there an installation problem, what can we learn? In this case it would benefit several thousands of people. That is really all I'm doing and why I took the time to take pictures, measure, etc... Maybe I should not have used "bad" or "misinformation" but rather "let me correct you and show you". I did set the record straight on the adjustment capability which is turn can help others to get theirs dialed in and prevent possible failure but you won't even acknowledge that. This is not a personal attack on you and I don't need to call you names but it seems that is the kind of dialogue you want. The only thing you can accuse me of being a fanboy of is Jeeps.

 

[NFRs2000NYC]

Let me summarize my position, the stock carrier/hinge is a problem waiting to happen with a larger tire/extra weight, TF addressed the issue with the early version, the carrier can be adjusted for backspacing down to 3", and this can be installed incorrectly possibly leading to future issues just like anything else. You argued on each of those while calling me a fanboy, joke, and that kinda of guy. Never did I dispute there was an issue with the initial version even though no one else that I can find has an account of it anywhere.

Why did I continue? Not to defend Teraflex but rather that people would knowingly bolt on dangerous items and that they were "sold shit" by vendors that don't care. I can run anything and actually bought the carrier 2 weeks ago. Also all that was really said is to read all about it, flying tires! No one was really trying to figure out what the issue was other than it's made in China or Teraflex makes crap. I'm not perfect and people get caught in the moment but reflecting on the exchange what should occur is a root cause analysis about why is it failing, how can we prevent it, is there an installation problem, what can we learn? In this case it would benefit several thousands of people. That is really all I'm doing and why I took the time to take pictures, measure, etc... Maybe I should not have used "bad" or "misinformation" but rather "let me correct you and show you". I did set the record straight on the adjustment capability which is turn can help others to get theirs dialed in and prevent possible failure but you won't even acknowledge that. This is not a personal attack on you and I don't need to call you names but it seems that is the kind of dialogue you want. The only thing you can accuse me of being a fanboy of is Jeeps.

Again, the stock hinges are plenty strong, as is the stock CARRIER. What you posted pics of are the welds on the tailgate failing, not the carrier. The carrier doesn't break, at least there has been no evidence of one breaking, and from my research, generally the welds fail due to a jiggling tire, which is caused by people not properly bumpstopping the spare.

 

[wayoflife]

Let me summarize my position, the stock carrier/hinge is a problem waiting to happen with a larger tire/extra weight...

To be clear, this is just your opinion - you have offered ZERO facts to back it up.

TF addressed the issue with the early version, the carrier can be adjusted for backspacing down to 3", and this can be installed incorrectly possibly leading to future issues just like anything else.

Do you have some kind of memory loss problem or do you just purposefully forget about the fact that the OP, you know, the guy who started this thread HAD HIS SPARE INSTALLED CORRECTLY when it STILL BROKE?? :naw:

You argued on each of those while calling me a fanboy, joke, and that kinda of guy.

That's because you are. Nobody gets butthurt the way you have or goes out of their way to defend a product that has been proven to break the way you do unless you work for the company or are a fanboy.

Never did I dispute there was an issue with the initial version even though no one else that I can find has an account of it anywhere.

It's so funny how you can say on one hand that you never "dispute there was an issue with the initial version" and then in the same breath counter it by saying that you can't find an account of it from anyone else anywhere. Is it possible that maybe this forum may just have a lot more and a lot better information regarding matters concerning the JK? Is it possible that forums that are supported by TeraFlex and give away free tire carrier to their moderators might try to hide bad press for them? Is it possible that you are only choosing to see what you want to see?

Why did I continue? Not to defend Teraflex but rather that people would knowingly bolt on dangerous items and that they were "sold shit" by vendors that don't care.

So what do you care? So what if people are now reconsidering the purchase this tire carrier based on what they have seen here? For those who already have one, why would it matter that they now see it as something that is potentially dangerous and think of it as "shit"? What are you, the thought police?? I have posted up what I have seen and know. The OP on this thread has done the same and with the hope of alerting others of nothing more than to be AWARE and to keep an eye on their tire carrier. You would prefer that people have faith in them and the people who sold it to them and honestly, I just can't figure out why it matter so much to you.

I can run anything and actually bought the carrier 2 weeks ago.

That's not true at all, you could buy this tire carrier and have it shipped to you 2 weeks ago as it was in stock. More than likely, nothing else was in stock or would be for over a month.

Also all that was really said is to read all about it, flying tires! No one was really trying to figure out what the issue was other than it's made in China or Teraflex makes crap. I'm not perfect and people get caught in the moment but reflecting on the exchange what should occur is a root cause analysis about why is it failing, how can we prevent it, is there an installation problem, what can we learn? In this case it would benefit several thousands of people. That is really all I'm doing and why I took the time to take pictures, measure, etc... Maybe I should not have used "bad" or "misinformation" but rather "let me correct you and show you". I did set the record straight on the adjustment capability which is turn can help others to get theirs dialed in and prevent possible failure but you won't even acknowledge that.

Why should it be the responsibility for people on a forum to figure out anything?? If I buy a product and follow the instructions to a T, I should not have to figure out how to prevent it from breaking and potentially killing someone!! This is just crazy and I'm still dumbfounded at the lengths you will go to defend TeraFlex and their tire carrier and still not want to be called a fanboy. :naw:

This is not a personal attack on you and I don't need to call you names but it seems that is the kind of dialogue you want. The only thing you can accuse me of being a fanboy of is Jeeps.

Just calling it like I see it. You can take it however you want.

 

[wayoflife]

Wow, TeraFlex is such an awesome company to deal with...

You can read all about it here...

http://wayalife.com/showthread.php?4740-TeraFlex-Hinged-Tire-Carrier-Break/page44

 

[texas05]

Again, the stock hinges are plenty strong, as is the stock CARRIER. What you posted pics of are the welds on the tailgate failing, not the carrier. The carrier doesn't break, at least there has been no evidence of one breaking, and from my research, generally the welds fail due to a jiggling tire, which is caused by people not properly bumpstopping the spare.

Pics of my installed hinge and carrier is what I just referenced.

I did the hinge (I agree the stock hinges are plenty strong) to prevent the welds popping then the carrier to adjust in. This is the solution I believe that is in question. Not just the CARRIER. It's the stock system that needs addressed.

What you describe is why I replaced. Or-fab, GenRight, Teraflex reuse the stock hinge mounting which are the ones I was looking at with out a bumper.

I don't thing we have been just been talking about the adjustable mount but rather the Adjustable mount AND the Heavy Duty Hinge combo?

 

[wayoflife]

I did the hinge (I agree the stock hinges are plenty strong) to prevent the welds popping then the carrier to adjust in. This is the solution I believe that is in question. Not just the CARRIER. It's the stock system that needs addressed.

No, it doesn't. That's just your opinion and your "belief" is based on a whole lot of NOTHING! The factory hinges ARE plenty strong. I know the senior designer of Jeep personally and he told me that the everything about the JK was designed to support 35" tires. The spot welds on your tailgate are popping because the sheet metal of the tailgate is getting fatigued by jiggling from the spare. If you mitigate this, you will NOT have this problem - PERIOD! You need to show proof of ONE, just one example of where the factory hinges have bent or failed or was directly responsible for causing the spot welds to pop.

What you describe is why I replaced. Or-fab, GenRight, Teraflex reuse the stock hinge mounting which are the ones I was looking at with out a bumper.

I don't thing we have been just been talking about the adjustable mount but rather the Adjustable mount AND the Heavy Duty Hinge combo?

Funny, you just got done saying that the "stock hinges are plenty strong" and now you're saying that it needs to be replaced with the whole combo? Why?? IF ANYTHING, the factory hinges are plenty strong and I have yet to see a single one fail, bend or otherwise. Sir, you are just grasping at straws now and for what reason, god only knows. :naw:

 

[wayoflife]

Hey DallasJKU, you still keeping an eye on your trusty TeraFlex tire carrier? I was surprised that you didn't even comment on it once here.

 

[DallasJKU]

I didn't know there was another TF thread. Mine is still holding up awesome actually. If it were to fail I might change it out, but with a 35" Duratrac it has been great for my use. Thanks for your concern!

 

[wayoflife]

I didn't know there was another TF thread. Mine is still holding up awesome actually. If it were to fail I might change it out, but with a 35" Duratrac it has been great for my use. Thanks for your concern!

Glad to hear it, I hope you do still keep an eye on it just in case though - for the sake of everyone behind you if no one else. The guy who started the new thread had it installed exactly as you kept on saying it needed to be and it still broke. Just sayin.

 

[DallasJKU]

I can't even imagine the damage a flying 37" tire would do. How people can still run this thing and how Teraflex can keep selling this POS is beyond me. The funny thing Eddie, all those hating trolls are arguing with you, but I bet you 10 beers says 1) ALL of them that own this thing ran the f*** outside and checked theirs, and 2) Those that were going to buy it now are not going to. Haters gunn hate.

So I'm a bad person because I run a product that has worked perfectly fine for my use?? I check mine often because of these threads and will continue to do so. And unless TF would give me a full refund right now, I won't take it off. Mine fits snug and perfect. I might have been lucky on the BS of my wheels because I never researched what they recommend. I would like to see how many have failed and how many have been fine. I bet the number of failed ones is very small %. With all that said, if I see a crack then its off immediately.

 

[wayoflife]

So I'm a bad person because I run a product that has worked perfectly fine for my use?? I check mine often because of these threads and will continue to do so. And unless TF would give me a full refund right now, I won't take it off.

You really mean to tell me that after all this time, YOU STILL HAVEN'T CALLED TERAFLEX TO GET A FREE REPLACEMENT?? REALLY??!! Simply unbelievable and yes, in my eyes, you are a BAD PERSON :naw:

The other guy who chimed in on this thread said that when his buddies broke, he didn't even know it was gone until a mile or so later. Like you, his friend swore by the tire carrier too. I honestly can't believe that you would be so bullheaded to purposefully run a mount when the manufacturer itself acknowledged it was flawed and has since taken steps to beef it up. I really do hope nobody gets hurt because of your insistence that nothing is wrong with what you have.

I would like to see how many have failed and how many have been fine. I bet the number of failed ones is very small %. With all that said, if I see a crack then its off immediately.

Why would you even care about numbers when the manufacturer itself acknowledges there is problem with their product and has since released what they feel is a stronger bracket? :naw:

 

[wayoflife]

Also, I still say you suck as a person for not taking steps to prevent a potentially fatal break in your tire carrier especially when you KNOW that there is a replacement available and for FREE. :naw:

 

[DallasJKU]

Also, I still say you suck as a person for not taking steps to prevent a potentially fatal break in your tire carrier especially when you KNOW that there is a replacement available and for FREE. :naw:

Settle down, dude!! I will look into it and see what TF says!!

 

[wayoflife]

Exactly!!!! Then again I don't wear mandals!!

Driving in your Jeep, I wouldn't either.

Settle down, dude!! I will look into it and see what TF says!!

No, I won't. If me giving you grief gets you off your ass and do something to help protect others, well then, I won't settle down. YOU SUCK for driving around all this time with a problem that TeraFlex themselves knows about and have taken meager steps to address and if I hadn't given you crap about it, you would have kept towing the line about how you've installed everything right and how it's a great product and how you'll address it IF you see any cracks. :naw:

 

[DallasJKU]

Driving in your Jeep, I wouldn't either.



No, I won't. If me giving you grief gets you off your ass and do something to help protect others, well then, I won't settle down. YOU SUCK for driving around all this time with a problem that TeraFlex themselves knows about and have taken meager steps to address and if I hadn't given you crap about it, you would have kept towing the line about how you've installed everything right and how it's a great product and how you'll address it IF you see any cracks. :naw:

Now you are just being an asshole!! I will look into it when I can next week.