Old news but in case there are any doubters - TeraFlex Tire Carrier Break

[NFRs2000NYC]

If you want I can PM my number and I will show you over FaceTime. The carrier pulls in to accommodate less backspacing. On the stock carrier it does push the tire out but the TF adjusts to pull it in. I'm not making this up.

When you say, you have 1.75" left to go (adjustment wise) you mean pulling the tire mount out towards you or towards the front of the Jeep (in)?

This is new to us, because if you read the other Teraflex thread, a number of members we're barking at Eddie that the Teraflex unit can't encompass ALL wheel backspacing and it doesn't work with "rare" backspacing like 3.5-4.5". This is why this isn't making any sense to anyone (not blaming you.)

 

[wayoflife]

If you want I can PM my number and I will show you over FaceTime. The carrier pulls in to accommodate less backspacing. On the stock carrier it does push the tire out but the TF adjusts to pull it in. I'm not making this up.

Hello, I just got done saying that if it were true, it's NEW as in, they didn't do that before. Also, I said that it's a moot point being that the OP had his tire pulled all the way in so that his spare was pressing firmly against the tailgate hinges and isolator - IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE!!

Look, I get it, you LOVE TeraFlex and their tire carrier. Clearly, you choose to believe that they can do no wrong - wonderful. This thread is intended for those who might care that THEIR tire carrier can break much in the same manner as the OP's. Don't like what you're reading, get a life and STOP READING IT. :naw:

 

[texas05]

When you say, you have 1.75" left to go (adjustment wise) you mean pulling the tire mount out towards you or towards the front of the Jeep (in)?

This is new to us, because if you read the other Teraflex thread, a number of members we're barking at Eddie that the Teraflex unit can't encompass ALL wheel backspacing and it doesn't work with "rare" backspacing like 3.5-4.5". This is why this isn't making any sense to anyone (not blaming you.)

Yes, pulling the tire in towards the front, I can pull it in another 1.75". Finally, someone gets it.

Listen, I'm not in love with this thing but I can't stand bad information. These forums should be able to help people.

Tell the whole story not just part of it. This carrier will adjust and needs to be adjusted correctly. There has been a known failure so keep an eye on it. Flying tires are bad.

 

[FuriousDz]

Yes, pulling the tire in towards the front, I can pull it in another 1.75". Finally, someone gets it.

Listen, I'm not in love with this thing but I can't stand bad information. These forums should be able to help people.

Tell the whole story not just part of it. This carrier will adjust and needs to be adjusted correctly. There has been a known failure so keep an eye on it. Flying tires are bad.

Not for nothing but this thread was/ is to help people that was the ONLY purpose for it. I didn't think I only told part of the story. I installed it correctly, I had it adjusted so that it was completely pulled in to the tailgate. I also modified the bumpstop to make sure it was snug on both sides of the tire. Which by the way the directions do not mention to do and even say you can discard them.

After all of that it still failed in less than a years time. I just want those who own it to know it can still fail even when installing correctly and taking further precautions

 

[texas05]

Not for nothing but this thread was/ is to help people that was the ONLY purpose for it. I didn't think I only told part of the story. I installed it correctly, I had it adjusted so that it was completely pulled in to the tailgate. I also modified the bumpstop to make sure it was snug on both sides of the tire. Which by the way the directions do not mention to do and even say you can discard them.

After all of that it still failed in less than a years time. I just want those who own it to know it can still fail even when installing correctly and taking further precautions

I wasn't directing that towards you. I am not disputing what you are saying. Sorry if you took it that way. I mean that, we both have Jeeps and can learn for each other. My point is/was many are not installed correctly and I was being told there was no way to adjust it. Like I said, I will keep an eye on it. Thx

 

[wayoflife]

Yes, pulling the tire in towards the front, I can pull it in another 1.75". Finally, someone gets it.

Again, this is new news to most of us and really, irrelevant being that the OP still managed to BREAK his tire carrier.

Listen, I'm not in love with this thing but I can't stand bad information. These forums should be able to help people.

The OP posted up PROOF of the BREAK he had on his TeraFlex tire carrier. It actually happened and he shared it on this forum to HELP other people. How that is bad information is beyond me. You my friend need help.

Tell the whole story not just part of it. This carrier will adjust and needs to be adjusted correctly. There has been a known failure so keep an eye on it. Flying tires are bad.

Yes, please do tell the whole story about how the OP did adjust his tire carrier correctly and IT STILL BROKE!! If anything, you're the one going around spreading BAD information and denying the whole story just so that you can feel better about your beloved TeraFlex and the products that they make. You really are amazing :naw:

 

[wayoflife]

I wasn't directing that towards you. I am not disputing what you are saying. Sorry if you took it that way. I mean that, we both have Jeeps and can learn for each other. My point is/was many are not installed correctly and I was being told there was no way to adjust it. Like I said, I will keep an eye on it. Thx

But WHY weren't many not installed correctly?? Because the parts they had at the time didn't allow for a greater amount of adjustment? Or, was it because the instructions they got made no mention of what wheel back spacing should be used? Both were what I saw first hand and if things have changed since then, well, what can I say, it still didn't make a difference for the OP. In spite of what you choose to believe, I AM trying to help fellow Jeepers and it is you who would prefer to keep them in the dark by pretending your beloved TeraFlex can do no wrong. :naw:

 

[FuriousDz]

I wasn't directing that towards you. I am not disputing what you are saying. Sorry if you took it that way. I mean that, we both have Jeeps and can learn for each other. My point is/was many are not installed correctly and I was being told there was no way to adjust it. Like I said, I will keep an eye on it. Thx

No worries. Unfortunately a lot of times people just don't want to think there may be an actual issue with a product they own or they say you must have installed it wrong and that caused the issue.

Not saying this is you just saying it's what I and others have observed. Hopefully you never have to deal with yours failing. Just keep an eye on it every now and then.

 

[StrizzyChris]

I wasn't directing that towards you. I am not disputing what you are saying. Sorry if you took it that way. I mean that, we both have Jeeps and can learn for each other. My point is/was many are not installed correctly and I was being told there was no way to adjust it. Like I said, I will keep an eye on it. Thx

I have no dog in this fight and no knowledge of the carrier other than the diagrams and pics I have seen. That being said, you just pointed out the whole point of this thread..... The OP installed it correctly and it still broke "just like all those idiots that did it wrong". If it breaks when installed correctly AND when installed incorrectly couldn't you agree that this is a POTENTIAL hazard/danger? That's all I've seen everyone here and Eddie say. What gives?

 

[PapasPuncher]

Wow just trying to get some information on tire carriers and had to read through 15 pages of posturing... I was looking at the TF carrier because I liked the integrated tailgate design (thanks to the Maximus post looks stout) & not sure I wanted to use a bumper/frame mount. Not sure which way I will go however this thread pushing the pendulum in the other direction... From what I gather it looks like the two threads on this subject are from TF carrier v1.0 correct (no gussets on the tire carrier)? If so, clearly appears owners sporting these should contact TF for a replacement, immediately. Now heading over to the TF site I see pictures of what I am assuming is v 2.0? Anyone have any experience with this updated model?

Seems pretty clear cut to me the original design is obviously flawed, looks like TF has remedied the problem with an updated model (good for them) and should issue a product recall (shame on them because they probably won't).

 

[wayoflife]

Just to clarify, the breaks do not occur where the pink arrows are pointing. They break on the part that goes into that hole. And no, after all this time, they have yet to issue a recall like they really should. Same is true of their front track bars. :naw:

 

[wayoflife]

...I can't stand bad information. These forums should be able to help people.

Speaking of BAD information, this will make the 4th time that I'll ask for specifics regarding the supposed "issues" you were having with your factory tire carrier. So how about it? How about you provide REAL information based on FACTS instead of telling us that you've just "researched" the matter and heard "many claims". You're such a joke :naw:

 

[cebley]

I literally hate that I own one of these. I personally spent a fair amount of $$ having mine welded solid, to include the slide adjust and adding extra gussets. I don't hate it because it now works as it was originally intended, I hate it because my affiliation with the product has me checking this forum daily to read these threads, that at the end of the day really shouldn't be open discussions.

The facts are just that... facts:

-The tire carrier breaks just behind the weld where the lug bracket meets the slide adjust tubing
-This break happens to people who have both correctly and incorrectly installed the carrier. (reads: the break happens)
-Teraflex acknowledges this indirectly by updating the model and providing a replacement to anyone that calls
-The sky is blue

The outside issues being laid on top of this simple concern are serving to do nothing but muddy the water. Vendors selling or not selling it, people crawling hard or just using their jeep to get groceries, stock carriers or other aftermarket carriers breaking/having issues that are similar. These things really aren't relevant, because at the end of the day the issue involves one product and it being subject to failure. I sympathize with people wanting to defend the $700 they spent, but if I did that all the time I'd be perpetually atoning for strippers and the Teraflex carrier.

 

[PapasPuncher]

Just to clarify, the breaks do not occur where the pink arrows are pointing. They break on the part that goes into that hole. And no, after all this time, they have yet to issue a recall like they really should. Same is true of their front track bars. :naw:

Okay so just to be clear the bracket (labeled A & B) slides into the mounting bracket with the visible gussets. The tire then mounts to "B" and the breakage is occurring at "A"? If so are any of the version 2.0's with welded on gussets breaking? Does anyone have a pic of the new style to compare and show us? It would seem that if they corrected the issue (gussets to provide strength) this tire carrier is then a good one (not comparing to frame/bumper mounted ones off topic for this thread). One last question based on the picture I don't see anything that the sidewalls of the tire press up against to reduce vibration (a critical factor here) does the TF carrier just use the stock rubber bumpers?

 

[cozdude]

Okay so just to be clear the bracket (labeled A & B) slides into the mounting bracket with the visible gussets. The tire then mounts to "B" and the breakage is occurring at "A"? If so are any of the version 2.0's with welded on gussets breaking? Does anyone have a pic of the new style to compare and show us? It would seem that if they corrected the issue (gussets to provide strength) this tire carrier is then a good one (not comparing to frame/bumper mounted ones off topic for this thread). One last question based on the picture I don't see anything that the sidewalls of the tire press up against to reduce vibration (a critical factor here) does the TF carrier just use the stock rubber bumpers?

i cant answer the first part but the second part about what the tire presses up against i can answer. it would just be the rubber isolators that are on the tailgate. just like it would on the factory tire carrier. this is from my understanding at least

 

[wayoflife]

Okay so just to be clear the bracket (labeled A & B) slides into the mounting bracket with the visible gussets. The tire then mounts to "B" and the breakage is occurring at "A"? If so are any of the version 2.0's with welded on gussets breaking? Does anyone have a pic of the new style to compare and show us? It would seem that if they corrected the issue (gussets to provide strength) this tire carrier is then a good one (not comparing to frame/bumper mounted ones off topic for this thread).

The breaks are occurring where A is welded to B. The new gussets are inside of the tube so you would only be able to see them when you look inside - they are just 2 tiny triangles at the point where the breaks have been occurring. The new version hasn't even been out for a year and I think it's too early to say for sure how well it will hold up. If you're dead set on a design like this, I would still recommend the one made by Hanson as I have yet to hear of a single break in the 7 years that it's been out and, it's a lot cheaper.

One last question based on the picture I don't see anything that the sidewalls of the tire press up against to reduce vibration (a critical factor here) does the TF carrier just use the stock rubber bumpers?

You remove the factory isolator on the passenger side of the tailgate and will only have the one on the driver side. The spare is supposed to just press up against the body of the tire carrier. Maybe things have changed but, originally, if you ran a wheel with less backspacing, you would not be able to pull the spare in enough to have it make contact with it. There was the biggest problem. I have not see evidence that this has been changed but, the fanboy above swears things are different now. Not that it matter as the OP had his spare installed with it pressing firmly against the tire carrier and it still broke.

 

[texas05]

Speaking of BAD information, this will make the 4th time that I'll ask for specifics regarding the supposed "issues" you were having with your factory tire carrier. So how about it? How about you provide REAL information based on FACTS instead of telling us that you've just "researched" the matter and heard "many claims". You're such a joke :naw:

The welds pulled away on the inside of the tailgate. Found out because it rattled. I would take some pictures but I traded that 13 for a new 14 2 months ago. I didn't anticipate having to provide proof to you. When this happened I researched the issue and that's when I joined some forums. What would be a joke is getting the service advisor to pull the record on it.

When I researched before I bought the carrier I found many stock carrier/tailgate issue treads across multiple forums but only found the one here about the TF crack. You already know the vendors assured me but so did real people at the jeep club. I looked at a lot of stuff before I finally got something. Down the road I may get something else just like shocks, arms, springs, whatever. Right now it's good.

What's a shame is that you have really put up some great information and do an awesome job with the videos. I'll leave it at that.

 

[texas05]

What? I thought the stock carrier/tailgate never fails.

Forget all the jeep forums, you going to argue with edmunds. Are they a Joke?

http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/wrangle...-jeep-wrangler-sport-rear-tailgate-crack.html

 

[wayoflife]

The welds pulled away on the inside of the tailgate. Found out because it rattled. I would take some pictures but I traded that 13 for a new 14 2 months ago.

For the love of god, did you really just finally answer my question?? Jeeze, it only took 4 times and a bunch of excuses and now all of a sudded, you have no proof. How convenient. :rolleyes2:

I didn't anticipate having to provide proof to you.

You only have to show proof when you go around making statements like they are fact. Imagine if I just started a post that TeraFlex tire carriers break without posting any pics to back them up. Hell, even with pics, guys like you will fight tooth and nail to suggest that it's all fiction, an isolated case, and improper install or what have you. :naw:

When this happened I researched the issue and that's when I joined some forums. What would be a joke is getting the service advisor to pull the record on it.

So why don't you? That would have made what you have to say more credible but, without pics and getting a full understanding of what was going on, still questionable.

As I have stated in the past, I have seen spot welds break on the tailgate but EVERY SINGLE TIME, it was caused by jiggling of the spare.

When I researched before I bought the carrier I found many stock carrier/tailgate issue treads across multiple forums but only found the one here about the TF crack.

Funny isn't it? How you only heard about it here? Isn't it odd that there were so many people even then who were trying to accuse me of just bashing on TeraFlex for god know what reason I might have? And now we have you arguing up a storm over it too and all for what I wonder? Clearly, guys like you will buy whatever it is you want to buy regardless of what you might see. Hell, there's only been 2 or 3 cases of it and only reported here, right? So move on and enjoy your purchase and maybe even spend more time on your other forums where they all praise your beloved tire carrier.

You already know the vendors assured me but so did real people at the jeep club.

And I'm glad they earned your money. Not like they would have any incentive to sell you something.

What's a shame is that you have really put up some great information and do an awesome job with the videos. I'll leave it at that.

What's a shame is that you felt the need to come on to a thread to defend a product tooth and nail and just because it was something you chose to buy. You say that I put up great information but, apparently, when it come to products you love, it's "bad information". Of course, this is regardless of the FACTS I've posted.

 

[NFRs2000NYC]

What? I thought the stock carrier/tailgate never fails.

Forget all the jeep forums, you going to argue with edmunds. Are they a Joke?

http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/wrangle...-jeep-wrangler-sport-rear-tailgate-crack.html

The problem with those welds braking is the internet. You always see pics of broken welds, but never the backstory, and 9 times out of 10, someone ran a large tire with lower backspacing and never took care of their bumpstops. As a result, the tire jiggled, and stressed the welds, causing them to break. BTW, the link you posted has a stock wheel/tire on it. Are you now suggesting that the OEM carrier is too weak to carry a stock wheel/tire combo?