NEVER talk to the police!

I hate;

Cops
Firefighters
Lawyers
Doctors
Nurses
EMT's
Medics
Teachers
Bankers
Shoe salesman

Forgot
Truckers

Most of them abuse their powers. Fuck them all..
 
Interesting read. I do think the kid was being dumb by not rolling down the window and agree that in the officer's mind that created a question as to why the kid was not cooperating.

I was the tech guy for our police department and spent a lot of time in the PD fixing their computers and keeping things running. My view of the town I lived in was forever changed by seeing the other side (bad clientele the officers deal with on a daily basis). Watching the in car videos of traffic stops and being in the booking room when they had computer issues, I have seen the things these guy have to deal with everyday and it was alarming to me. Even a "simple" traffic stop can turn very ugly from the most unexpected individuals. Officers never know what kind of fruitcake they are pulling over, so if a cop is a little bit stern or rude just remember he has no idea whether your gonna flip out or not, so he is on his guard. No one wants to go home in a body bag.

Personally I always treat officers with respect and I have always received respect back. The kid was just being a douche as Sharkey stated! There are many good points in this thread about privacy and our rights as citizens but being asked to roll down your window to talk to a cop isn't a big deal unless your trying to incite suspension about your activities.
 
Irish JK said:
-"Have no right to complain if you don't try and change things" = How in any rationale does that affect ones rights guaranteed by the Constitution. If I don't want my rights to change then other than voting for a politician who will fight to protect those rights, I have no requirement to do anything. That is why the Constitutional Amendment process was purposely made so extremely difficult and why there as so few amendments. Now, yes one can always go further and be more active to only help their cause yes, but because one is not politically involved equating to losing rights is a non-starter.
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The Supreme Court has left it up to the states to determine if DUI checkpoints are legal. So, your involvement in local and state government absolutely matters. This has nothing to do with Constitutional Amendment because, in so far as the highest court in the land is concerned, a DUI checkpoint is not unconstitutional. If you don't like them, you need to work to get rid of them at the state or local level.


Irish JK said:
To equate a DUI check point with an international border crossing checkpoint is also illogical. Those coming in from outside of America (citizen or not) do not have the same rights as a person traveling within our borders. Yes, even as a citizen, by leaving the US borders you concede some rights upon your return at your return point. Taking another step, I do believe similarly that when you enter the country on an international flight, you should be subject to scans, background checks, profiling, etc. Interstate travel I believe though should be a different process requiring a much lighter security process with less Constitutional infringement. Now this does leave the rationale that a terrorist could still enter, or come from within our borders and procure a weapon to take on a interstate flight, but no process is perfect and this could be argued around and around.
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To be clear, my reference to California's bug stations is not a reference to international border crossing checkpoints. As you know, these are checkpoints between the borders of California and other states, not California and other countries.
 
I have actually changed my mind, and though it has morphed into something completely different than I intended, I am happy with this thread. Except for a few outlying personal attacks, this seams to have been a respectful, and for myself, educational debate.

Robar said:
I think that maybe a lot of you should go to your city council meetings and demand to disband the local police department and the fire department too, for that matter. They are both considered public safety, so fuck'em all. Your fine citizens can all handle things better anyway.
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When logic like this is introduced into a topic/rational debate....rationality leaves the table :grayno:

piginajeep said:
I hate;

Cops
Firefighters
Lawyers
Doctors
Nurses
EMT's
Medics
Teachers
Bankers
Shoe salesman

Forgot
Truckers

Most of them abuse their powers. Fuck them all..
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Hey! My career is included in this list and for the following reasons I feel compelled to tell you how wrong you are........ :bleh:

Sharkey said:
Nope...you have no rights on this privately owned forum. :bleh:
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:cheesy: in the Jeep forum world, I'm grateful for this!
 
I will just say a couple last things. I know for myself and I believe it's probably true for others on "my side" of the argument, it is NOT anti cop. I fully understand they have a tough job, and I would never do it. They provide a necessary role in any society.

I do not find the particulars of this video to be an important discussion of conversation. I myself, always talk respectively to others, and expect it from others (although I do not describe this kid as disrespectful, just not how I personally would handle it).

I think the important conversation to have is the role of the government, what we truly cherish as a "free" society, and where we draw the line of liberty vs. safety. That is a productive conversation to have. I think overall the conversation has stayed civil. Maybe off topic at times, but civil. That is a good thing.

One thing we should not demand is that people think the same as us. It happens all too often, free speech is not hampered by the government so much these days, but by the few, who demand not to ever be offended. That creates a lack of growth and discourse as a nation.

If nothing else this thread got many people thinking about our civil liberties, what they mean to us, and what we should do to protect them. That is a good thing. :thumb:
 
^^^ :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: ^^^

Respectful conversations are great! When they can occur without challenging a persons integrity for having a different view than us, it's a good day!
 
David1tontj said:
I'm sorry to hear about your bad experiences with the cops Chris.

If we switch this thread around to giving advice-

I would say this

Always answer questions and try your best to cooperate- failing to do so just gives the officer reason to suspect you are hiding something. It is nothing more than antagonizing the cop and bringing out the worst in him.

Edit**** this was intended to refer to while in your vehicle- no, I am not saying you should always consent to any search, just if you don't want to be delayed and have your car scratched up- besides, I thought driving was a privilege, not a right??******

Always Consent to a search** see edit**. If you truly are innocent, then you won't have anything to worry about. If you tell them they can't search your car, they will see that as guilt and likely hold you until their dog can scratch up your car, and then still search your car anyways, only this time, thy will think you are guilty and REALLY tear stuff up looking for what you're hiding.

I have consented to many searches, therefore, I've never had a dog scratch my car, and it has never been more than the cop emptying my glove box and center console (never been more than a 5 minute ordeal) and most of the time I needed to clean those out anyway! Haha.

Long story short- by refusing to cooperate, the cops automatically think you are hiding something, and then they REALLY want to find something.


My ride- 2001 power wheel, 11" plastic tires, upgraded battery, boat sides, custom bumpers, tow hooks, new paint.
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Please see the edit- I did not mean that you should always consent to all searches, In fact, I so do not agree with that statement when taken that way. .. I believe that when you are in your vehicle, it is COMPLETELY different. I've known since I got my drivers license that driving is a privilege that can be taken away- NOT a right.


My ride- 2001 power wheel, 11" plastic tires, upgraded battery, boat sides, custom bumpers, tow hooks, new paint.
 
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seanb123 said:
The great creators of this nation are rolling over in their graves with the statement "Always Consent to a search". I understand that it's easier yes but we were giving that right to protect us from the police. I know this is a stretch but if you consent to a search and a cop has it out for you he could plant some drugs or simply just invade your privacy. He is a stranger to me and I would never just let a stranger just go all through my car. His piece of mind is not my responsibility so if he wants to think the worst that's fine.

I understand that cops have a tough job and I am polite I talk to them none of the window crack stuff. But I have always been educated on my right but more importantly knowing when to use them and when to use them not just to be a dick.
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I didn't mean for that to come off the way it did, I edited it to more closely resemble what I meant.


My ride- 2001 power wheel, 11" plastic tires, upgraded battery, boat sides, custom bumpers, tow hooks, new paint.
 
StrizzyChris said:
I have actually changed my mind, and though it has morphed into something completely different than I intended, I am happy with this thread. Except for a few outlying personal attacks, this seams to have been a respectful, and for myself, educational debate.



When logic like this is introduced into a topic/rational debate....rationality leaves the table :grayno:



Hey! My career is included in this list and for the following reasons I feel compelled to tell you how wrong you are........ :bleh:



:cheesy: in the Jeep forum world, I'm grateful for this!
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He said nurses....not murses!
 
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