Jeep Accident in Colorado - Roll cage discussion

A post on their instagram account by the children stating the news was reposted by a friend of mine who apparently follows these people on instagram. Wild to hear and unimaginable for the kids.

While I’ve never even considered an aftermarket cage, really anything can and will happen in the event of rollover at speed or not. Feel like both an aftermarket or stock cage could fail depending on the circumstance and I can’t help but question the seatbelts/harnesses too.
 
That's an absolutely awful thing to have happened to that family. I didn't know them, but my son and I met them briefly on Moab Rim at EJS in 2023 since they knew a few of the people in the group we were with.

I have an aftermarket cage in my JK. I held out for a long time and I'd never assume it provides more strength and safety, but I don't think the equipment on their jeep was a contributing factor of this tragedy, or could have saved them from it.
 
I have personally seen the results of epic rolls. Not just a flop on the trail but multiple times over and at highway speeds. A cage can help but it can also hurt unless you have a full 5 point harness. I have also seen factory cages fold in the same situation and have the occupants survive. In some ways, I have to wonder if the folding helps to absorb energy while still providing “enough” protection.

I had the Motobilt cage installed in mine the last go around of my build. I hesitated to do it for this reason ^^ at highway speeds they may actually hurt more than help. I ended up putting it in more of a protection for the occupants in front when offroad in case of a roll off of something than for protection of the Jeep itself. The shop that did the install has a guy there that fabbed drag cars before he started there and we had several discussions about this before I decided to just do it. Like said by others, if you go that route you had better go all in & put in seats and a 5 point harness, otherwise you risk flopping around & smacking your head on the tubing, and that shit don't give. I have NHRA padding on the bars overhead and, even though I hate the damn thing, will wear a helmet on dumb stuff.
 
First and foremost, this situation represents a significant tragedy, and my heartfelt condolences extend to the family and the surviving children. Like many others, I have closely followed builders over the years and, in numerous instances, have formed meaningful friendships. I can certainly affirm that I have been an active member of the car and truck community as a builder for over three decades, during which I have fostered lifelong connections; thus, this community resembles one large, extended family. I happen to follow Josh and Christina on Instagram (Rubistina) and was profoundly saddened to learn of this unfortunate news. Since that moment, amidst the sorrow, the engineer within me has been reflecting on various scenarios concerning how this tragedy may have transpired and what preventive measures could have been taken, or could be implemented in the future, to avert such incidents. There are numerous factors that could contribute to this complex equation; however, upon reviewing their Instagram posts, several observations have emerged. In addition to the roll cage, seat harness, and other onboard safety features, they shared updates about new tires being installed on their beadlock wheels just the day prior. This observation raises questions, and I am eager to learn what conclusions the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) will reach regarding the beadlock wheels and whether a failure may have occurred. Furthermore, other considerations may pertain to potential failures in steering linkage or ball joints, which could have resulted in a loss of control. Either way, my heart is broken.
 
First and foremost, this situation represents a significant tragedy, and my heartfelt condolences extend to the family and the surviving children. Like many others, I have closely followed builders over the years and, in numerous instances, have formed meaningful friendships. I can certainly affirm that I have been an active member of the car and truck community as a builder for over three decades, during which I have fostered lifelong connections; thus, this community resembles one large, extended family. I happen to follow Josh and Christina on Instagram (Rubistina) and was profoundly saddened to learn of this unfortunate news. Since that moment, amidst the sorrow, the engineer within me has been reflecting on various scenarios concerning how this tragedy may have transpired and what preventive measures could have been taken, or could be implemented in the future, to avert such incidents. There are numerous factors that could contribute to this complex equation; however, upon reviewing their Instagram posts, several observations have emerged. In addition to the roll cage, seat harness, and other onboard safety features, they shared updates about new tires being installed on their beadlock wheels just the day prior. This observation raises questions, and I am eager to learn what conclusions the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) will reach regarding the beadlock wheels and whether a failure may have occurred. Furthermore, other considerations may pertain to potential failures in steering linkage or ball joints, which could have resulted in a loss of control. Either way, my heart is broken.
I dunno man, while the front axle is clearly broken in half, the steering links look like they’re still connected and the tires still look whole on the wheels. Also, I can’t say that I’ve actually ever seen or heard of a beadlock wheel just fail on the highway.
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Because harnesses can be a hassle to put on and take off, I’ve seen lots of people who don’t know any better and retain their factory seat belts and just use it for daily driving. That, or they just use the lap belt portion of the harness.

Again, I have literally NEVER seen a need for a full cage for anything other than high speed bombing across the desert. I have NEVER seen ANY flop or even roll on the rocks where a full cage was even remotely needed - period.
 
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It's terrible any time there are fatalities in vehicle accidents. More so when children are involved.

Now, to roll cages, to be honest I'm surprised any company puts their name on roll cages due to liability concerns.

Whether they cold bend or hot bend tubing, they weaken it. Welds may be pretty, but if not engineered and done correctly, they can weaken the structure.
 
I dunno man, while the front axle is clearly broken in half, the steering links look like they’re still connected and the tires still look whole on the wheels. Also, I can’t say that I’ve actually ever seen or heard of a beadlock wheel just fail on the highway.
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Yeah but he's an engineer and follows them on instagram.
 
First and foremost, this situation represents a significant tragedy, and my heartfelt condolences extend to the family and the surviving children. Like many others, I have closely followed builders over the years and, in numerous instances, have formed meaningful friendships. I can certainly affirm that I have been an active member of the car and truck community as a builder for over three decades, during which I have fostered lifelong connections; thus, this community resembles one large, extended family. I happen to follow Josh and Christina on Instagram (Rubistina) and was profoundly saddened to learn of this unfortunate news. Since that moment, amidst the sorrow, the engineer within me has been reflecting on various scenarios concerning how this tragedy may have transpired and what preventive measures could have been taken, or could be implemented in the future, to avert such incidents. There are numerous factors that could contribute to this complex equation; however, upon reviewing their Instagram posts, several observations have emerged. In addition to the roll cage, seat harness, and other onboard safety features, they shared updates about new tires being installed on their beadlock wheels just the day prior. This observation raises questions, and I am eager to learn what conclusions the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) will reach regarding the beadlock wheels and whether a failure may have occurred. Furthermore, other considerations may pertain to potential failures in steering linkage or ball joints, which could have resulted in a loss of control. Either way, my heart is broken.
Ummm welcome to wayalife
 
I know this family personally and have wheeled with them many times in SH and Moab. It’s super sad. That jeep was well built and as squared away as a fully built rig can be. I’m sure we’ll hear more about what happened and how it happened but damn… gnarly crash.
All of the aftermarket cages still rely on the bracing from the front part of the tub and firewall. They were running the Motobilt weld in cage and the shop that did the install is very experienced.
I think Eddie has hit the nail on the head with cages just not being needed anymore and unless you’re doing ultra 4 or KOH shit on the regular, they can pose more dangers than they mitigate unless your properly running a harness.
And at any rate, this kind of crash is gonna be hard to walk away from anyway.
The way the back half of the cage is tied together and ties in with the tub is much better than how it ties in to the front and, likely helped the kids survive but at this point… it’s all speculation.
Major major bummer. They were good people and will be missed.
 
Perhaps the most useful addition to the factory roll cage would be something which blocks occupants from instinctively sticking their hand out the window during a rollover.
 
Kids would probably have parents if they had half a brain.
I suppose it's possible she had noticed her husband fell asleep (or had a health event?) and unbuckled her seatbelt to reach over to the driver's side petals to stop the vehicle. It passed across the median, so there could have been time for such a scenario. Or not. The kids would obviously know.

But yeah, people that don't wear seatbelts blow my mind. It took several years, but my wife's family finally buckles up in the back seat now without me having to ask :confused:
 
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