WHO'S WINNING : Jeep vs Bronco

Oh and to add just a little bit more to the conversation, Wranglers and Gladiators are fast getting a reputation of being unreliable. I'm not talking about enthusiast groups. Gen pop thinks they cannot be relied on. That's not good.

The vast majority of folks would not even know where to start to fix the electrical issue that Eddie was having. They would dump the vehicle to carvana and tell everyone they know how crappy Jeeps are.
 
TheGrendel said:
Oh and to add just a little bit more to the conversation, Wranglers and Gladiators are fast getting a reputation of being unreliable. I'm not talking about enthusiast groups. Gen pop thinks they cannot be relied on. That's not good.

The vast majority of folks would not even know where to start to fix the electrical issue that Eddie was having. They would dump the vehicle to carvana and tell everyone they know how crappy Jeeps are.
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As far as I can tell, they are no less reliable than the average vehicle. Other than an early freak battery failure (thankfully noticed in the garage at the start of a 2000 mile trip), my Jeep has been reliable for over 6 years.

But my mom warned me that jeeps are very unreliable. 😄
 
TheGrendel said:
Oh and to add just a little bit more to the conversation, Wranglers and Gladiators are fast getting a reputation of being unreliable. I'm not talking about enthusiast groups. Gen pop thinks they cannot be relied on. That's not good.

The vast majority of folks would not even know where to start to fix the electrical issue that Eddie was having. They would dump the vehicle to carvana and tell everyone they know how crappy Jeeps are.
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unreliable because the QC isn't there and when something fails, it's expensive AF or backordered and people cannot be without a vehicle for weeks on end.

I wouldn't buy my daughter a Jeep today, she has a 2015 but I've told her when it's time to replace it do not get another Jeep. It's seen nothing but pavement and still the oil filter/cooler failed, real axle shaft leaking. She loves her Jeep but I also do the work on it, I got quotes for several maintenance items and showed her how much she was saving in dad's garage.

I consider my 2018 (bought with 5 miles on it) unreliable, love driving it, I've modified it, but pissed off that Jeep still hasn't addressed the failing oil filter/cooler issue (replaced mine last week PIA); the paint is bubbled up in several places, but Jeep won't warranty it because of mileage ---that was back in 2020 when it first appeared.

It's left me semi-stranded within the year I bought it with dead batteries; semi-stranded when the head unit decided it needed to update but kept failing and I couldn't get the Jeep to go with the head unit in failed mode, 3 hours later after removing the battery cables and letting it reboot several times, it reset and I was able to get home.
That wasn't the end of the head unit issues, kept running on its own (fucking over the air updates) and several times I'd go out in the morning and the damn thing was hot to the touch because it was on and stuck from the update.
Jeep's response? It's a known issue, take it to the dealer and pay $125 to have them force the update... I didn't but it took several phone calls getting very loud with the rep until I finally reached a knowledgeable rep that sent me the interim updates required before the current OTA update could install.

IMO, the CAN BUS is about as unreliable as it gets.
 
jeeeep said:
unreliable because the QC isn't there and when something fails, it's expensive AF or backordered and people cannot be without a vehicle for weeks on end.

I wouldn't buy my daughter a Jeep today, she has a 2015 but I've told her when it's time to replace it do not get another Jeep. It's seen nothing but pavement and still the oil filter/cooler failed, real axle shaft leaking. She loves her Jeep but I also do the work on it, I got quotes for several maintenance items and showed her how much she was saving in dad's garage.

I consider my 2018 (bought with 5 miles on it) unreliable, love driving it, I've modified it, but pissed off that Jeep still hasn't addressed the failing oil filter/cooler issue (replaced mine last week PIA); the paint is bubbled up in several places, but Jeep won't warranty it because of mileage ---that was back in 2020 when it first appeared.

It's left me semi-stranded within the year I bought it with dead batteries; semi-stranded when the head unit decided it needed to update but kept failing and I couldn't get the Jeep to go with the head unit in failed mode, 3 hours later after removing the battery cables and letting it reboot several times, it reset and I was able to get home.
That wasn't the end of the head unit issues, kept running on its own (fucking over the air updates) and several times I'd go out in the morning and the damn thing was hot to the touch because it was on and stuck from the update.
Jeep's response? It's a known issue, take it to the dealer and pay $125 to have them force the update... I didn't but it took several phone calls getting very loud with the rep until I finally reached a knowledgeable rep that sent me the interim updates required before the current OTA update could install.

IMO, the CAN BUS is about as unreliable as it gets.
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It really is tough. Jeep has definitely been here before and I can only hope that someone or some company can save it from itself again.
 
wayoflife said:
It really is tough. Jeep has definitely been here before and I can only hope that someone or some company can save it from itself again.
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100%, hope they wake up and take notice before it's too late. But then again, the more they devalue the brand, the better a bargain it becomes for the right owner(s).

Stellantis with the arrogance of Tavares basically put a bullet in the head of their cash cow.
Even with the neon lights flashing in their faces that EV is a failure, they push forward as if they'll make it succeed.
 
here's a taste of what I am talking about.

I'm considering purchasing a Jeep Wrangler. Are they known to be unreliable/need a lot of repairs?!
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Yes. Probably the worst vehicles ever made. But they're fun, just make sure to have another car you can rely on while you try to Youtube how to fix it or leave it at the shop waiting on endless repiars.
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You'll be much happier with a Bronco.

My JL Rubicon averaged 1 month at the dealership during each of the first 4 years I owned it from 2020-2024. Now some of that was exacerbated by the scamdemic and the supply chain issues.

But, if you want something fun and to be an instant member of a club, buy a Jeep Wrangler.

If you want reliable transportation, look elsewhere.

You know why I keep my 1999 Ford Expedition around? Because my daily driver is a 2020 Jeep Wrangler. LOL
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these are very common opinions.

wayoflife said:
It really is tough. Jeep has definitely been here before and I can only hope that someone or some company can save it from itself again.
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this is my hope as well. not everything has been bad over the FCA era. i don't think people truly understand that the Wrangler likely doesn't survive without the JKU.
 
TheGrendel said:
here's a taste of what I am talking about.





these are very common opinions.


this is my hope as well. not everything has been bad over the FCA era. i don't think people truly understand that the Wrangler likely doesn't survive without the JKU.
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I forgot that on one trip-both of our visors fell off, and Jeep never did a recall for this common problem. It was out of warranty and my guess is that an extended warranty would have missed mentioning the visors.

And my Jeep spent perhaps a cumulative 2 months in the parking lot at the dealership to hopefully solve a rattle, which only happens on gravel roads, dirt roads with small rocks, in the alley behind my house, or on certain rough city streets. After all the trips and parking at the dealership (s) in Dallas, they claimed to never be able to reproduce it. 😕

I learned that some dealerships are vastly better than others, and some are like a den of thieves.
 
This is a CLEAR indication that Jeep "lagged" on innovation the last 5 years and new options (engines!!) and keep raising their prices! I'm not shocked at the results at all. I like the Broncos also, but the Bronco Raptors black fenders are awkward looking (unless painted) to me they are too wide and reminds me of a huge dude with huge traps and arms (not hanging down straight) but almost like bullegged but in the arms.....looks rediculous
 
Bought a Wildtrak 2nd half of '23 for my evil other half. This was supposed to be a way for her to get into off roading without just being my passenger. Immediately did a few mods; hd spare tire carrier, onboard air, 37's and supporting mods, antirock, rear bumper.FB_IMG_1695587737192.jpg

The next pic was from an AZ bronco group visiting Vegas, their original bronco group ghosted them so last minute, I ran out to meet them and tour guide them for the day. My group is open platform as I don't care what you wheel, I care about the people, not the rigs.

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However, was thinking the IFS would have been more comfy off road but it wasn't. to be fair, I had quite a bit more into my JLURD at the time. We had this for 8 months before we got rid of it. Reasons?
- No a/c in the back, well there is a vent on the floor under the front seats but they don't move any noticeable amount.
- Kids mentioned how uncomfortable it was, didn't think much until I sat back there as passenger one day, took about 10 minutes and I was dying to get out
- Window rattle to the extreme. Roll a front window down a couple of inches and just open the door, sounds/looks like its about to shatter. Try driving at any speed with it partially down as well, I did try adjusting and just couldn't make it right
- Other squeeks and rattles even on the drive home, over 3-4 months, chased most down, most annoying was the sounds that a case of bottled water makes from the cargo area
- Electronic gremlins

Some prefer the interior of the bronco, not us. Yes, on road it drives like any SUV would, wouldn't even know it was off road capable. Body was a bit bigger on the trails as well. Couple of us went out a day early to trim the overgrowth to avoid heavy pin striping on a trail for my group, my rig went through fine, took the bronco the next day and got some striping. Try some narrow trails with a bronco raptor haha.

In the end, got rid of it and got the other half into a non off road related vehicle, got rid of my JLURD for the 392 so now we have a mix of vehicles
Audi - EV
Toyota - Hybrid
392 - fossil fuel killer
 
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