WTF - Just to LOOK at a House???

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As some of you know, Cindy and I enjoy looking at properties, mostly for fun but on occasion, we do acquire something new if it's something we really like. Needless to say, we were down in the Bullhead City, AZ area, saw a house that looked nice and decided to call the listing agent to see if she could show it to us. As we would come to find, she was in the process of heading out of town but she did have an assistant who could help us if we were okay with that. Obviously, we just wanted to see the house and so I let her know that would be fine and asked if her assistant could just meet us at the property. To this, she said that we needed to come to the office and meet her there. Apparently, there were some forms that we needed to sign first. Stupefied by this response, I asked, "just out of curiosity, what kind of forms would we be needing to sign?" And to this, she said just some kind of loyalty agreement and made it sound like no big deal. Being that we were near by, I just thought, whatever and headed down to the office.

Along the way, I got a text message from the assistant asking for Cindy and my email address but I just ignored it being that we were just about there. Upon arriving at the office and being sat down at a desk, the assistant proceeded to open up a folder that had multiple pages showing what a wonderful company they were, BLAH BLAH BLAH and then proceeded to present forms with areas highlighted in yellow for the two of us to sign. These forms were "the Buyer Broker and Agency Disclosure" and as it was explained to me, it would be necessary for us to sign BEFORE they could show us the home.

Now, I should note, I would soon find that all this just started to become a thing as of July of 2024 and call me stupid for not knowing about it but up until now, nobody has ever asked us to sign it and we have looked at other properties as recently as last month. Anyway, among other lame ass things, there were two points that were exceptionally stupid and I just couldn't get myself to sign.

1. We were required to sign and commit ourselves to using their services/this specific agent EXCLUSIVELY for any home that we might want to look at or buy for ONE FUCKIN YEAR.
2. We were required sign and commit ourselves as a BUYER to pay the 3% sales commission should the SELLER, for whatever reason they might have, choose not to pay it in the future.

Again, this is ALL being required BEFORE we can see the fucking house in question!! Essentially commit to using the services of a realtor that I've never met before and have never received services from AND to commit to paying her, in writing, 3% commission for something we haven't even looked at yet!!

When I asked to have this clarified, I was told this was a nationwide thing and that all realtors require it now. When I asked, "just to look at the house?" The assistant told me "yes". Having worked with really really shitty realtors in the past, I politely explained that there was no way we were going to commit ourselves to the service of her boss, for a FUCKING YEAR and especially being that we've never even met her. I told her that we would need to change that time frame to just ONE DAY, today and that would be it. And, when I pressed her further on the 3% commission thing, she said that we could negotiate that later and I told her "then that's when we would commit to it in writing - AFTER it's been negotiated and NOT before we saw the home."

Unfortunately, the assistant let us know that she couldn't show the home until we signed off on the forms and so, we thanked her for her time and walked out. And, as you can guess, I started getting all kinds of texts and calls from the realtor asking us to come back and that she would be there to "answer any questions we might have". :rolleyes:

Since leaving the area, Cindy started looking into this whole Buyer Broker and Agency Disclosure and found that it is in fact a real thing but I gotta tell ya, there is still no way I'm going to commit myself to the services of a realtor for a YEAR and to pay them 3% commission just to LOOK at a fuckin house. Maybe it's just me but all this is just BULLSHIT!!
 
If I understood it correctly when I read the damm thing, that is "if" it is possible if the seller and the sellers agent did not pay the 3%, you would have to cough it up. I did not sign it, it is my long time realtor, and she really, really wants to get a listing to sell my house, and sell me another one (so she continues to show me houses). My realtor told me that it would never happen, because the title company handles everything. CYA, cause the realtors are getting theirs covered no matter what.
 
Really stupid for business. I could be wrong, but I thought there was some major ruling against realtors early this year, that eliminated the historical required commission rate of 3%+3% for buying and selling that’s typically paid out of sellers funds.
The ruling opened up the option for seller to negotiate down the historical 3% for listing realtor. I guess this is the realtors way of getting around this. Still it’s BS and bad practice.
 
Just like so much that’s changed in stock brokerage, mortgage, car buying and now real estate. Commissions for the middlemen need a downward calibration. Critical Information is now widely and easily available now, which was part of what brokers use to exclusively have to justify the amount of commission.
 
So lets say you sign it... and look at that house... but don't buy it... but you find and buy another house being sold by a different realtor.... are you saying you HAVE to use the original realtor you signed with?
 
As some of you know, Cindy and I enjoy looking at properties, mostly for fun but on occasion, we do acquire something new if it's something we really like. Needless to say, we were down in the Bullhead City, AZ area, saw a house that looked nice and decided to call the listing agent to see if she could show it to us. As we would come to find, she was in the process of heading out of town but she did have an assistant who could help us if we were okay with that. Obviously, we just wanted to see the house and so I let her know that would be fine and asked if her assistant could just meet us at the property. To this, she said that we needed to come to the office and meet her there. Apparently, there were some forms that we needed to sign first. Stupefied by this response, I asked, "just out of curiosity, what kind of forms would we be needing to sign?" And to this, she said just some kind of loyalty agreement and made it sound like no big deal. Being that we were near by, I just thought, whatever and headed down to the office.

Along the way, I got a text message from the assistant asking for Cindy and my email address but I just ignored it being that we were just about there. Upon arriving at the office and being sat down at a desk, the assistant proceeded to open up a folder that had multiple pages showing what a wonderful company they were, BLAH BLAH BLAH and then proceeded to present forms with areas highlighted in yellow for the two of us to sign. These forms were "the Buyer Broker and Agency Disclosure" and as it was explained to me, it would be necessary for us to sign BEFORE they could show us the home.

Now, I should note, I would soon find that all this just started to become a thing as of July of 2024 and call me stupid for not knowing about it but up until now, nobody has ever asked us to sign it and we have looked at other properties as recently as last month. Anyway, among other lame ass things, there were two points that were exceptionally stupid and I just couldn't get myself to sign.

1. We were required to sign and commit ourselves to using their services/this specific agent EXCLUSIVELY for any home that we might want to look at or buy for ONE FUCKIN YEAR.
2. We were required sign and commit ourselves as a BUYER to pay the 3% sales commission should the SELLER, for whatever reason they might have, choose not to pay it in the future.

Again, this is ALL being required BEFORE we can see the fucking house in question!! Essentially commit to using the services of a realtor that I've never met before and have never received services from AND to commit to paying her, in writing, 3% commission for something we haven't even looked at yet!!

When I asked to have this clarified, I was told this was a nationwide thing and that all realtors require it now. When I asked, "just to look at the house?" The assistant told me "yes". Having worked with really really shitty realtors in the past, I politely explained that there was no way we were going to commit ourselves to the service of her boss, for a FUCKING YEAR and especially being that we've never even met her. I told her that we would need to change that time frame to just ONE DAY, today and that would be it. And, when I pressed her further on the 3% commission thing, she said that we could negotiate that later and I told her "then that's when we would commit to it in writing - AFTER it's been negotiated and NOT before we saw the home."

Unfortunately, the assistant let us know that she couldn't show the home until we signed off on the forms and so, we thanked her for her time and walked out. And, as you can guess, I started getting all kinds of texts and calls from the realtor asking us to come back and that she would be there to "answer any questions we might have". :rolleyes:

Since leaving the area, Cindy started looking into this whole Buyer Broker and Agency Disclosure and found that it is in fact a real thing but I gotta tell ya, there is still no way I'm going to commit myself to the services of a realtor for a YEAR and to pay them 3% commission just to LOOK at a fuckin house. Maybe it's just me but all this is just BULLSHIT!!
Wow it’s like a time share seller.
That’s crazy
 
I have many family and friends in real estate. They're all doing it now. And they all hate it. But that new ruling last year pretty much forced them into it. It's going to fuck up the entire industry. There is already a huge oversaturation of realtors. I see the future of most people learning to do everything themselves and a lot of realtors dropping out. The scary thing about that is that there are some really good agents out there that learn about deed history, septic/soil history, previous issues with the property and work to protect buyers from problem issues. If buyers don't know what to look for they could get stuck with a major problem.
 
Wow that’s some bullshit! Buyers shouldn’t have to pay anything to look at a house. I’m sure they are going to loose a lot of customers from this.
If one has a Buyer's realtor, then the Buyer's realtor naturally wants to assure that he/gets paid. It makes sense that they do get paid since they are doing work for you.

Previously the Buyer's realtor was assured to be paid (if you bought a house), but now they are not.

Of course the Listing realtor wants to be paid, but they can negotiate a contract with the seller to assure that.

It seems odd for the Seller's realtor to be requiring this level of contract. However, without a contract, you could simply bypass them a bit later and negotiate with the seller directly.

In my experience a good Buyer's realtor is quite valuable, and they will use personal resources to help you. The random realtor might not be a good one.

It is very strange for a Listing realtor to request a contracted rate for anything but the house(s) they are representing.

There may be some slime buyers who buy directly from the seller as soon as the Listing realtor's contact has expired in order to avoid fees.
 
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Just like so much that’s changed in stock brokerage, mortgage, car buying and now real estate. Commissions for the middlemen need a downward calibration. Critical Information is now widely and easily available now, which was part of what brokers use to exclusively have to justify the amount of commission.
MLS data was always only available to realtors, but they had to pay to participate in it.

It is possible that other sources like realtor.com and Zillow will change to adapt to the new reality.

We shall see if "critical information" remains easily available.
 
that's pretty fucked up, how is that not predatory?
Just to look at a house!
Exactly! I've never experienced anything like it. It was going to a restaurant and being told that we had use a specific waiter just to see what kind of food they serve and then, if we didn't like it, we still had to use the same waiter at a different restaurant. Totally nuts.
That’s totally insane! Greedy SOBs! Not sure I would have been so polite. Good on you.
You know, I get that everyone needs to make money but to force you to commit to using and pay them like this BEFORE you even get to see what they're selling is just nuts!
Fuck that. Realtors need to be told on a regular occurrence to PACK IT IN THEIR ASS. It’ll be good for them.
Amen!!
Really stupid for business. I could be wrong, but I thought there was some major ruling against realtors early this year, that eliminated the historical required commission rate of 3%+3% for buying and selling that’s typically paid out of sellers funds.
The ruling opened up the option for seller to negotiate down the historical 3% for listing realtor. I guess this is the realtors way of getting around this. Still it’s BS and bad practice.
This is exactly it. It's their way of still making the 6% they've grown accustom to making. And really, it's the main reason why Cindy and I have always tried to use the listing agent of a property. That way, they make the full commission and we've always found that they try harder. Now, they're just demanding to make the money and without putting in any work!

I should note, what really pisses me off is that a seller makes money on the sale of the home and can account for the commission fee. Not all buyers can afford to pay a commission fee and I don't think you can roll it into a loan. The whole thing is BS
 
Wow that’s some bullshit! Buyers shouldn’t have to pay anything to look at a house. I’m sure they are going to loose a lot of customers from this.
To be fair, they're not saying we needed to pay to look but rather, commit to paying IF we buy the house and the seller chooses NOT to pay the 3% buyer's fee.
Do realtors still wonder why people hate them? lol that is absurd.
Right?! They're bottom feeders just like used car salesmen for sure!
So lets say you sign it... and look at that house... but don't buy it... but you find and buy another house being sold by a different realtor.... are you saying you HAVE to use the original realtor you signed with?
What TexasProud said, YES and it's BS!
 
I have many family and friends in real estate. They're all doing it now. And they all hate it. But that new ruling last year pretty much forced them into it. It's going to fuck up the entire industry. There is already a huge oversaturation of realtors. I see the future of most people learning to do everything themselves and a lot of realtors dropping out. The scary thing about that is that there are some really good agents out there that learn about deed history, septic/soil history, previous issues with the property and work to protect buyers from problem issues. If buyers don't know what to look for they could get stuck with a major problem.
If they hate it, why do they do it? Why not just take the 3% sellers fee and call it a day?
 
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