The College Football Thread

TLife said:
I don’t have a strong opinion on whether they got it right or wrong, but I worry about the message that they sent. If Ohio State had played some high school team instead of Oklahoma earlier in the year and finished as a one loss conference champion then they get in, even if that one loss was to Iowa. As a football fan, I enjoy big time non conference matchups, but if I’m Ohio State or another school hoping to get into the playoff why would I schedule tough non conference teams?
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You make a good point and your right if osu was a 1 loss conference champ they are in over a one loss anyone else who isn’t a conference champ, but I think what The committee did was put the importance of a whole body of work through the season on a higher pedestal than being a conference champ. Alabama for example scheduled #3 FSU to open the season and it worked out for them, granted due to injuries and whatever other reasons FSU ended up not being that good but at that point in he season everyone looked at that as their marquee win. You can’t blame a team for how their opponents ended up being unless they lose and it’s hard to forgive them for their losses unless that team that beat them ends up a top team. But you never really know how that’ll shape out until the end of the season.

You are correct about strength of schedule though, why risk scheduling tough games, reality is, the debate should be between USC and bama- not Ohio State - as USC had the highest strength of schedule. But above all the committee was formed to remove the broken system of metrics that applied to the old BCS formula, so in reality they are tasked to decide who the best 4 teams are, and while taking metrics into account they can offer the eye test, but can also bring a sense of bias. Crazy the amount of money that moves around based on these decisions though, which can lead to a possible whole other conversation of why maybe bama was selected over some other programs..


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They just need to fix it to where the pwr5 have automatic bids to the playoffs. Conf champs. Than 3 more seeds based upon wins, strength of schedule what not. I love SC but I can say, short of a miracle, they would get blown out the way they played this year. They are such an up and down team. As much as I hate to say it, OSU may be a rough matchup unless SC comes in hot. I think they got it right with Bama. Team has been consistent and it pains me to back them. They had 1 bad game instead of 2. Like I said though. I wish they would bump up the playoffs to truly make it a fair shake. OSU and SC woulda been in based on championship and Bama would be based on their play. This leaves wiggle room for those smaller conf teams like as well.

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I am a buckeye fan, that’s my disclaimer, with that said I was ok with Alabama until I heard the committees reason. They claimed they looked at all the body of the season. Alabama has a 16 LSU as its best win. Yep they only had one lose. If the committee is looking at wins just say so. The bucks f’ed themselves with the Iowa game. No excuse for it and they paid the price. It is what it is. What pisses me off is the committee stupid reasoning that changes every year including last year when we got in. Set the criteria and go by it instead of moving the goal post every rating.


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bill.turner said:
I am a buckeye fan, that’s my disclaimer, with that said I was ok with Alabama until I heard the committees reason. They claimed they looked at all the body of the season. Alabama has a 16 LSU as its best win. Yep they only had one lose. If the committee is looking at wins just say so. The bucks f’ed themselves with the Iowa game. No excuse for it and they paid the price. It is what it is. What pisses me off is the committee stupid reasoning that changes every year including last year when we got in. Set the criteria and go by it instead of moving the goal post every rating.


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I have no stake in any team in or just out but Alabama did beat #3 ranked Florida State. Having said they OSU also beat some pretty highly ranked teams. I couldn’t agree more that they need to not have a fluid criteria though. Makes it hard for teams to know what to do with their schedule or expect as they go through the season.

As weird of a thing as I think this is, because a loss is a loss, there is something to the “quality of your loss” but nevertheless have some consistency

Granted if you can just go 12-0, handle all your business, and a conference championship it’s hard to keep you out regardless of your strength of schedule. So don’t screw up your season with a loss lol


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Bama beat a pre season ranked #3 FSU...it turns out that ranking was far to generous...when they had a chance to prove their worthiness, they lost to their rival Auburn and got bumped from their conference championship...however, OSt lost badly to an unranked team and with 2 losses, don't deserve to be in the top 4 either...

I agree with the sentiment above...the Power 5 conference champions should get an automatic bid, with 3 at large bids...I would love to see an unbeaten UFC get into a playoff...this would remind me more of the NCAA BB tournament where anyone could win the whole thing...
 
benatc1 said:
I have no stake in any team in or just out but Alabama did beat #3 ranked Florida State. Having said they OSU also beat some pretty highly ranked teams. I couldn’t agree more that they need to not have a fluid criteria though. Makes it hard for teams to know what to do with their schedule or expect as they go through the season.

As weird of a thing as I think this is, because a loss is a loss, there is something to the “quality of your loss” but nevertheless have some consistency

Granted if you can just go 12-0, handle all your business, and a conference championship it’s hard to keep you out regardless of your strength of schedule. So don’t screw up your season with a loss lol


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I get what you’re saying. The 3 rating was when they played, but they ended 6-6 I believe. The Win and in is valid. But initially the committee said quality teams matter. I have no complaints about bucks not getting in and wasn’t lobbying that argument. When Barrett is off the bucks sucked. Iowa stomped the shit out of us. My complaint is the changing criteria. With the win and in theory UCF should have been in or even Wisconsin, as they only had one lose to a top ten team who finished higher in the rankings then LSU. The committee put Alabama in 1 or 2 all year and couldn’t admit it was wrong. That’s my complaint the f’ing committee can’t make a criteria and stick to it.


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Brute said:
Bama beat a pre season ranked #3 FSU...it turns out that ranking was far to generous...when they had a chance to prove their worthiness, they lost to their rival Auburn and got bumped from their conference championship...however, OSt lost badly to an unranked team and with 2 losses, don't deserve to be in the top 4 either...

I agree with the sentiment above...the Power 5 conference champions should get an automatic bid, with 3 at large bids...I would love to see an unbeaten UFC get into a playoff...this would remind me more of the NCAA BB tournament where anyone could win the whole thing...
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The money would still be there. Just rotate the premiere bowls as part of the playoff system like they do now. Maybe someday someone will listen to reason. However, I am kinda bent knowing the Big 10 and Pac-12 are not playing in the Rose Bowl. The old school in me is having a tough time with this lol. Man speaking of UCF. That game with Memphis with freaking off the hook.

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TRLJNKY said:
The money would still be there. Just rotate the premiere bowls as part of the playoff system like they do now. Maybe someday someone will listen to reason. However, I am kinda bent knowing the Big 10 and Pac-12 are not playing in the Rose Bowl. The old school in me is having a tough time with this lol. Man speaking of UCF. That game with Memphis with freaking off the hook.

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UCF never had a chance because the committee won’t recognize these teams. With the B.B. tournament all the teams get a shot. This year the Rose Bowl is getting played in Arlington Texas, LOL.


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Brute said:
Bama beat a pre season ranked #3 FSU...it turns out that ranking was far to generous...when they had a chance to prove their worthiness, they lost to their rival Auburn and got bumped from their conference championship...however, OSt lost badly to an unranked team and with 2 losses, don't deserve to be in the top 4 either...

I agree with the sentiment above...the Power 5 conference champions should get an automatic bid, with 3 at large bids...I would love to see an unbeaten UFC get into a playoff...this would remind me more of the NCAA BB tournament where anyone could win the whole thing...
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Agreed, less drama and news but certainly more fair and would make an awesome tournament, however, being one who made a career on player safety, I will say that’s a lot of games at that level of play for the teams who would play in the championship game, potentially 16 games.


bill.turner said:
I get what you’re saying. The 3 rating was when they played, but they ended 6-6 I believe. The Win and in is valid. But initially the committee said quality teams matter. I have no complaints about bucks not getting in and wasn’t lobbying that argument. When Barrett is off the bucks sucked. Iowa stomped the shit out of us. My complaint is the changing criteria. With the win and in theory UCF should have been in or even Wisconsin, as they only had one lose to a top ten team who finished higher in the rankings then LSU. The committee put Alabama in 1 or 2 all year and couldn’t admit it was wrong. That’s my complaint the f’ing committee can’t make a criteria and stick to it.


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You can’t blame Alabama for Florida State’s bad season, they were expected to be right there in the end of the season and their qb was a potential acc player of the year candidate and he missed the whole season, you could see a clear drop off on their offensive performance after he left that first game (so maybe you can blame bama?) so maybe when that team was whole, when bama beat them, they were a top 3 team in the country- truly who knows tho.

either way I do see some merit in you saying that the committee can’t keep it straight and wouldn’t admit they were wrong, now if bama wins it all, maybe they weren’t, if they lose to Clemson, which I think they will, there will be plenty to discuss about how deserving/undeserving they were


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benatc1 said:
Agreed, less drama and news but certainly more fair and would make an awesome tournament, however, being one who made a career on player safety, I will say that’s a lot of games at that level of play for the teams who would play in the championship game, potentially 16 games.




You can’t blame Alabama for Florida State’s bad season, they were expected to be right there in the end of the season and their qb was a potential acc player of the year candidate and he missed the whole season, you could see a clear drop off on their offensive performance after he left that first game (so maybe you can blame bama?) so maybe when that team was whole, when bama beat them, they were a top 3 team in the country- truly who knows tho.

either way I do see some merit in you saying that the committee can’t keep it straight and wouldn’t admit they were wrong, now if bama wins it all, maybe they weren’t, if they lose to Clemson, which I think they will, there will be plenty to discuss about how deserving/undeserving they were


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bill.turner said:
To fast on the buttons. If Bama wins it all I will apologize to the Bama faithful here as I would have been wrong. My bucks blew their shot.


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certainly not bama faithful over here just providing perspective, and no way you need to apologize for anything ever, no matter what happens. your supposed to be passionate about it!! :beer::beer:
 
TRLJNKY said:
The money would still be there. Just rotate the premiere bowls as part of the playoff system like they do now. Maybe someday someone will listen to reason. However, I am kinda bent knowing the Big 10 and Pac-12 are not playing in the Rose Bowl. The old school in me is having a tough time with this lol. Man speaking of UCF. That game with Memphis with freaking off the hook.

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Yes...the UFC/ Memphis game was one of the best games of the year...
 
Brute said:
Bama beat a pre season ranked #3 FSU...it turns out that ranking was far to generous...when they had a chance to prove their worthiness, they lost to their rival Auburn and got bumped from their conference championship...however, OSt lost badly to an unranked team and with 2 losses, don't deserve to be in the top 4 either...

I agree with the sentiment above...the Power 5 conference champions should get an automatic bid, with 3 at large bids...I would love to see an unbeaten UFC get into a playoff...this would remind me more of the NCAA BB tournament where anyone could win the whole thing...
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imagine an 8 team playoff with 5 conference champions, the highest ranked non-power 5 school (would have to be conference champ as well) and then 2 at large teams, all with a lottery style seeding as its truly hard to determine which conference is better than the other. this will give the small guy a shot, put the utmost importance on the regular season we well as conference championship and still giving 2 spots for teams that may be "the best teams'" but dont happen to be be conference champs. all while keeping int interesting and putting importance on winning no matter who your matched up with
 
benatc1 said:
imagine an 8 team playoff with 5 conference champions, the highest ranked non-power 5 school (would have to be conference champ as well) and then 2 at large teams, all with a lottery style seeding as its truly hard to determine which conference is better than the other. this will give the small guy a shot, put the utmost importance on the regular season we well as conference championship and still giving 2 spots for teams that may be "the best teams'" but dont happen to be be conference champs. all while keeping int interesting and putting importance on winning no matter who your matched up with
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My dream right here. I love CFB. Every week means something

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benatc1 said:
certainly not bama faithful over here just providing perspective, and no way you need to apologize for anything ever, no matter what happens. your supposed to be passionate about it!! :beer::beer:
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I have to be passionate about college. My Browns have been terrible for almost twenty years.


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benatc1 said:
imagine an 8 team playoff with 5 conference champions, the highest ranked non-power 5 school (would have to be conference champ as well) and then 2 at large teams, all with a lottery style seeding as its truly hard to determine which conference is better than the other. this will give the small guy a shot, put the utmost importance on the regular season we well as conference championship and still giving 2 spots for teams that may be "the best teams'" but dont happen to be be conference champs. all while keeping int interesting and putting importance on winning no matter who your matched up with
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Hallelujah...
 
Brute said:
Like how Alabama schedules non conference games?...
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I do hate that Bama plays mercer (or equivalent) in mid November every year and essentially gives their starters a bye week. To their credit though, they do schedule one "tough" non conference game most years.
 
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