SUPER UNIMPRESSED with Milestar Patagonia M/Ts
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ssh6314
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I bought these a few weeks before the JT experience videos started going up, based off price/budget at the time and a few friends I wheel with having good things to say..then I see the Skyjacker JT struggling in every single second it was on camera, right after Eddie climbs up the same obstical with ease l, and I knew right then. I fucked up lol, havent had them out wheeling yet, but at least I'll know what the issue is. Luckily because of the hype train around them, I'll be able to recoup 90% of the money initially invested on them.
CarolinaJK
New member
I gotta be honest, the price point had me wanting to try them out for my next set of tires. Went wheeling with a couple buddies this past weekend. One guy in a Rubicon JLU with Patagonias took triple the time to get up the same obstacle as me with open front, lsd rear on Mud Grapplers. Mud grapplers aren't the best tire out there at all, yet they still outperformed those damn things on most obstacles. Was very disappointed.
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WJCO
Meme King
IMO, ice is ice. No tire other than studded can really overcome physics.
Unless that was an apples to apples comparison as in, same exact same Jeep built the same way, both running 38's only one running STT Pros and the other Patagonia's, I find that very difficult to believe. The Renegade I used to own (running STT Pros) could run circles around a built up JK running Duratracs on ice and they're about the best tire I've run on ice. Size, weight, traction control system and most importantly, DRIVER will make a big difference.
I dunno, aside from the howling they make on pavement, I've always found Mud Grapplers to rock on the trail. What you saw with the Patagonias is what I saw all week on the JL/JT Experience. Totally lame social media overhyped china tire.
This ^^^^
However, I'm always amazed at what a modern vehicle with really good traction control can do on it.
One thing I know after living in Alaska for the last 40 years is driving in icy conditions. Our winters are long and they can be cold. Different tread patterns (such as siping) and rubber compounds make a significant difference in how well a tire hooks up in icy conditions. Studs are certainly favorable but there's more to it than that.
It's the same reason a dedicated winter tire, such as a Nokian Hakkapallita or Blizzak will wear so quickly if driven during the warm summer months. The rubber compound is designed to remain pliable in cold temperatures with the consequence of quicker wear, which is accelerated with warm temps.
It appears the Milestar is a soft compound that "wears quickly" as mentioned above in this thread.
The harder compound tires that tend to "wear like iron" become extremely hard when the temperatures dip, as a result, they don't hook up as well. I've seen this time and time again and although the Cooper STT Pro is one of my favorite tires it simply sucks when it's -15 F and the trail up the mountain has been spun down to ice. I'm talking brakes on sliding backwards back down the hill when my buddy blows up over it multiple times.
Personally I don't even like wheeling in the mountains with those conditions but sometimes it just seems to happen as plans seem to change once we all get out...
I'm by no means claiming the Patagonia is an Epic winter tire that's just what I've seen relative to my Coopers.
We are both running JL Rubicons and I'm on 37s....He runs 37" Nitto Trail Grapplers in the summer but swapped to the Patagonias for "Winter Riding."
It's the same reason a dedicated winter tire, such as a Nokian Hakkapallita or Blizzak will wear so quickly if driven during the warm summer months. The rubber compound is designed to remain pliable in cold temperatures with the consequence of quicker wear, which is accelerated with warm temps.
It appears the Milestar is a soft compound that "wears quickly" as mentioned above in this thread.
The harder compound tires that tend to "wear like iron" become extremely hard when the temperatures dip, as a result, they don't hook up as well. I've seen this time and time again and although the Cooper STT Pro is one of my favorite tires it simply sucks when it's -15 F and the trail up the mountain has been spun down to ice. I'm talking brakes on sliding backwards back down the hill when my buddy blows up over it multiple times.
Personally I don't even like wheeling in the mountains with those conditions but sometimes it just seems to happen as plans seem to change once we all get out...
I'm by no means claiming the Patagonia is an Epic winter tire that's just what I've seen relative to my Coopers.
We are both running JL Rubicons and I'm on 37s....He runs 37" Nitto Trail Grapplers in the summer but swapped to the Patagonias for "Winter Riding."
Braxtonsag
Member
I have the Patagonia’s currently and they’re getting ready to be swapped out this week. My 5000 mile review on them is that they suck ass in wet conditions. Other than that they have been a joy. I only got to use them in Moab and we all know plastic power wheels tires could grip there, but they never gave me anything to complain about. I do find it weird that Milestar said to run them at 35 psi because I initially had them at 32 and I had maybe 3” of contact patch touching the road and I felt like I was rolling around on roller blades. I had to lower all the way to 25psi to use the full width of tread. I just assumed it was because my Jeep is relatively light. I wouldn’t say I had a bad experience with them by any means, but I need something that I’m not going to kick the ass end out sideways while going 45 on the interstate around a curve.
Well, the STT Pro is no all terrain tire and has about as much siping as a Trail Grappler - essentially, NONE. Why anyone would think it should do anything on ice like that is beyond me. Of course, this thread was to talk about Milestar Patagonia tires and for ALL the all terrain like siping their lugs have, I would have expected them to do better on any slick surface. If you say they did great on your Alaska ice, I can only take your word for it. Me, I can only show how they performed on wet slick rocks in our videos and as the title of this thread states, I was SUPER UNIMPRESSED. But hey, that's just me.
Yup, 35 psi is what Milestart told me. They said that's how they were designed to be run and running less that that would cause them to have cupping issues. Kinda crazy. That being said, for as much siping at their lugs have and that dense center tread they have, you'd think they'd do a little better in wet conditions especially after what the guy from Alaska was saying and how they do on ice but, you're not the first person I've heard say they suck ass in those conditions.
TrailHunter
Hooked
Maybe they performed good on Ice because they were already cupped. [emoji848]
LOL - think you're onto something :crazyeyes:
Braxtonsag
Member
Had traction control not saved my ass I would’ve ended up in the ditch no question about it. Ever since then I won’t go over 35 in the rain. Come to think about it I remember hydroplaning on the highway leaving work for lunch one day too. Traction control saved my ass then too. They’re awful in the rain.
jtpedersen
Caught the Bug
Well, one thing this thread's been good for (not!) is ensuring the Amazon Ads on Wayolife are pure Patagonia:
Hi,
just a question from someone who cant get those tires, because the aren't available in Europe: If the Milestar M/T is such a bad tire like it's bin said in this thread, why does it (seem) to produce really good traction on the lite brite jeep? Or is just the drive really good?
If I look into the thread pattern I cant imagine that the work in mud? :thinking:
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just a question from someone who cant get those tires, because the aren't available in Europe: If the Milestar M/T is such a bad tire like it's bin said in this thread, why does it (seem) to produce really good traction on the lite brite jeep? Or is just the drive really good?
If I look into the thread pattern I cant imagine that the work in mud? :thinking:
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WJCO
Meme King
Lol. I'm sure they don't edit any of the footage to only show the good shots or anything like that :crazyeyes:
And I'm sure there aren't incentives for them to run those shitty tires or anything like that :crazyeyes:
Yes, I agree that they added there videos. Maybe/Probably so that it looks better. But on there trip to SEMA they had to compete with other well build vehicles, and there JL seem to made it well. I wonder if they are well accepted Jeepers in the USA?
But maybe its just because the ride 90% of there time on some rocky terrain ... Would be different in mud.
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WJCO
Meme King
Not sure. They're brand new to off-roading but they've somehow built a following because of sexual innuendos. I personally wouldn't trust anything they're selling just because of that, but that's just me. I feel bad for all the new Jeepers that fall prey to it. Don't get me wrong, every industry has people like that, just sucks that it made it's way into the so-called Jeep community.
With that being said, in regards to these Milestar tires, people I trust have seen how much they suck and I know people that have purchased them and have switched out to other tires because they weren't happy with them.
fiend
Caught the Bug
Some people in the US like them because they are relatively inexpensive and come in a somewhat unusual 38” size.
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