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Seriously, what is Rand Paul doing? We are taxed 7 ways to Sunday, but a "tax" that a majority of Americans are willing to pay in an attempt to fix unfair trade is too far for Rand? Rand can't possibly think Congress will/can fix this? Am I missing something?
 
Spazbyt said:
Seriously, what is Rand Paul doing? We are taxed 7 ways to Sunday, but a "tax" that a majority of Americans are willing to pay in an attempt to fix unfair trade is too far for Rand? Rand can't possibly think Congress will/can fix this? Am I missing something?
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"Willing to pay"? Do we have a choice?
 
Spazbyt said:
Seriously, what is Rand Paul doing? We are taxed 7 ways to Sunday, but a "tax" that a majority of Americans are willing to pay in an attempt to fix unfair trade is too far for Rand? Rand can't possibly think Congress will/can fix this? Am I missing something?
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Far as I can remember from civics class a loooong time ago the power to levy taxes lies with the legislature not the executive.
 
Spazbyt said:
By "tax" I mean tariff so yes you have a choice.
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I can't control where products are made. Often the seller is not clear about the actual origin and just says 'imported'. And some products say "Assembled in USA using imported parts" (or some such). If the product costs 4x more, then maybe I won't buy it, but there may be no alternative.
 
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bobfriesenhahn said:
I can't control where products are made. Often the seller is not clear about the actual origin and just says 'imported'. And some products say "Assembled in USA using imported parts" (or some such). The only thing which will be clear. If the product costs 4x more, then maybe I won't buy it, but there may be no alternative.
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I just reject this notion that the only thing good for America is the cheapest possible goods. It's almost like for decades most countries have weaponized this dynamic against the United States. How are we supposed to decouple from countries like China any other way?
 
Spazbyt said:
I just reject this notion that the only thing good for America is the cheapest possible goods. It's almost like for decades most countries have weaponized this dynamic against the United States. How are we supposed to decouple from countries like China any other way?
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I am not arguing against the above. I am pointing out that the individual consumer would be hard pressed to purchase most products if the requirement is to be "Made in USA".

For example Stihl (a German company) emphasizes how much they care about the USA but then their documentation says "Assembled in the USA using imported parts". US auto makers are in a similar situation.

I was interested in buying a Wilton vice made in the USA. This was quite a research exercise and I never did quite figure out to do it (the price would surely be well over $500). It is difficult to compete when Harbor Freight has a look-alike selling for $78.

It took 50 years for our country to willingly get itself into this situation and it will not be solved within 4 years.
 
bobfriesenhahn said:
I am not arguing against the above. I am pointing out that the individual consumer would be hard pressed to purchase most products if the requirement is to be "Made in USA".

For example Stihl (a German company) emphasizes how much they care about the USA but then their documentation says "Assembled in the USA using imported parts". US auto makers are in a similar situation.

I was interested in buying a Wilton vice made in the USA. This was quite a research exercise and I never did quite figure out to do it (the price would surely be well over $500). It is difficult to compete when Harbor Freight has a look-alike selling for $78.

It took 50 years for our country to willingly get itself into this situation and it will not be solved within 4 years.
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I'm not suggesting that the tariffs will result in that item being made in the USA exclusively, but that the item will be made in a country that freely trades with us. I don't want a trade war, I want free trade. I want a Harley-Davidson sold for every Yamaha, a USDA Tomahawk steak sold for every Wagyu. A bottle of Pappy Van Winkle's sold for every Vodka. The US isn't isolating itself right now, the rest of the world has decided long ago that they won't be taking our products or our culture.
 
Spazbyt said:
I'm not suggesting that the tariffs will result in that item being made in the USA exclusively, but that the item will be made in a country that freely trades with us. I don't want a trade war, I want free trade. I want a Harley-Davidson sold for every Yamaha, a USDA Tomahawk steak sold for every Wagyu. A bottle of Pappy Van Winkle's sold for every Vodka. The US isn't isolating itself right now, the rest of the world has decided long ago that they won't be taking our products or our culture.
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engaging him encourages further stupidity. I simply ignore and enjoy the benefits
 
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