New Toyo Open Country R/T Pro tire

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LVMohave

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Looks like the new Toyo is a all around great tire. I currently have Nitto 38 Ridge Grapplers on 17" KMC wheels which are a good tire. They aren't very good in wet weather or snow- which I have encountered both. To be fair I do not encounter bad weather unless I go outside of Vegas where I live. If we want to travel like Utah and the mountains I am NOT comfortable with my Nitto's in wet weather or snow. - thus why I'm asking.

I believe all 40" tires on 17" wheels are minimum 13.5" wide. (not 100% sure on that but a tire search lookup doesnt show any 40" tires at 12.5" wide- except the new Toyo) My question is the new R/T Pro 40" tire is 12.5" which seems "thin" to me for a 40" tire. My Nitto's are 12.5" wide and sometimes look a tiny bit thin, but nothing to bother me, but a 12.5" wide 40" tire seems skinny? Thoughts?
 
LVMohave said:
Looks like the new Toyo is a all around great tire. I currently have Nitto 38 Ridge Grapplers on 17" KMC wheels which are a good tire. They aren't very good in wet weather or snow- which I have encountered both. To be fair I do not encounter bad weather unless I go outside of Vegas where I live. If we want to travel like Utah and the mountains I am NOT comfortable with my Nitto's in wet weather or snow. - thus why I'm asking.

I believe all 40" tires on 17" wheels are minimum 13.5" wide. (not 100% sure on that but a tire search lookup doesnt show any 40" tires at 12.5" wide- except the new Toyo) My question is the new R/T Pro 40" tire is 12.5" which seems "thin" to me for a 40" tire. My Nitto's are 12.5" wide and sometimes look a tiny bit thin, but nothing to bother me, but a 12.5" wide 40" tire seems skinny? Thoughts?
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Tall and skinny..... agreed. My o2.
 
LVMohave said:
Looks like the new Toyo is a all around great tire. I currently have Nitto 38 Ridge Grapplers on 17" KMC wheels which are a good tire. They aren't very good in wet weather or snow- which I have encountered both. To be fair I do not encounter bad weather unless I go outside of Vegas where I live. If we want to travel like Utah and the mountains I am NOT comfortable with my Nitto's in wet weather or snow. - thus why I'm asking.

I believe all 40" tires on 17" wheels are minimum 13.5" wide. (not 100% sure on that but a tire search lookup doesnt show any 40" tires at 12.5" wide- except the new Toyo) My question is the new R/T Pro 40" tire is 12.5" which seems "thin" to me for a 40" tire. My Nitto's are 12.5" wide and sometimes look a tiny bit thin, but nothing to bother me, but a 12.5" wide 40" tire seems skinny? Thoughts?
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Why is appearance so important to you?
 
LVMohave said:
Looks like the new Toyo is a all around great tire.
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Just out of curiosity, how did you come to this conclusion?
LVMohave said:
I currently have Nitto 38 Ridge Grapplers on 17" KMC wheels which are a good tire. They aren't very good in wet weather or snow- which I have encountered both. To be fair I do not encounter bad weather unless I go outside of Vegas where I live. If we want to travel like Utah and the mountains I am NOT comfortable with my Nitto's in wet weather or snow. - thus why I'm asking.
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From your personal experience and just for comparison sake, what tire would you say is a good tire in wet weather or snow?
LVMohave said:
I believe all 40" tires on 17" wheels are minimum 13.5" wide. (not 100% sure on that but a tire search lookup doesnt show any 40" tires at 12.5" wide- except the new Toyo) My question is the new R/T Pro 40" tire is 12.5" which seems "thin" to me for a 40" tire. My Nitto's are 12.5" wide and sometimes look a tiny bit thin, but nothing to bother me, but a 12.5" wide 40" tire seems skinny? Thoughts?
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Funny thing is, pizza cutters like this is all the rage on social media these days and tire manufacturers are just trying to give their customers what they're wanting.
 
My own experience with Ridge Grapplers on wet streets is that they seem to work well on the highways and rural roads (even under most severe "100 year storm" white knuckle conditions), but not so well on high traffic urban roads which are much more likely to have some oil added to the water.

I was still able to make it up our long and steep concrete driveway with at least 1" of fresh snow on top.

But it did seem that the factory BFG KO2s felt somewhat safer on snow.
 
Toyo would had to have changed a LOT about the RT for me to get back into one.

They wore out in 20,000 miles of strictly on road use. They wore funny, 2 out of the 5 had severe cupping, the other 3 wore oddly across the tread pattern.

I know they supposedly have a new compound and supposedly are a better tire. But that's a lot of money to invest on a maybe.
 
wayoflife said:
Just out of curiosity, how did you come to this conclusion?

From your personal experience and just for comparison sake, what tire would you say is a good tire in wet weather or snow?

Funny thing is, pizza cutters like this is all the rage on social media these days and tire manufacturers are just trying to give their customers what they're wanting.
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I've read some good reviews and youtube reviews about the new Toyos. I have a friend back in NY who has them on his Gladiator and loves them. I can only tell you from MY own experience what I believe is a good tire or not from personally using them. I previously had BFG KM3 and they were great tires, zero issues. I also had Gladiators and they just couldn't balance after a few sets. I honestly do not know why Ridge Grapplers have a decent wet rating......I can pull out of the hand car wash with wet tires and slip all over the place - spin the tires like Im at a drag strip. . When it rains here in Vegas, I have to drive extra careful because they slip pretty easily.

I couldnt tell you what tire is good in rain and snow since I rarely encounter those conditions. I think my Nitto 38's look more like a pizza cutter and the new Toyo 40" must look really (possibly oddly thin)
 
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LVMohave said:
I've read some good reviews and youtube reviews about the new Toyos. I have a friend back in NY who has them on his Gladiator and loves them. I can only tell you from MY own experience what I believe is a good tire or not from personally using them.
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Like I had asked, "from YOUR personal experience" and not from "good reviews and youtube" or what your "friend" has to say.
LVMohave said:
I couldnt tell you what tire is good in rain and snow since I rarely encounter those conditions.
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If good traction in rain and snow is your concern, you may want to consider an all terrain tire.
 
wayoflife said:
Like I had asked, "from YOUR personal experience" and not from "good reviews and youtube" or what your "friend" has to say.

If good traction in rain and snow is your concern, you may want to consider an all terrain tire.
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I have no personal experience with the new Toyo tire. Do NOT tell me you only go by personal experience because I can bring up many videos/comments where you have relied on someone else's review or praise of a product. Don't tell me you have no "Jeep" friends that you trust their experiences with products, because if you do youre full of shit. So why bother me about my own personal experience when I said I didnt have any - but trusted my friend who has the tires on his same truck I have?

You completely MISSED MY POINT on my original post that I wasn't "concerned" with rain or snow and thinking of going to the new Toyo - I thought it was strange that its the ONLY 40" tire that's only 12.5" wide. MY tire IS a hybrid, but it IS a part all terrain tire, you should know this.
 
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I have no personal experience with the new Toyo tire. Do NOT tell me you only go by personal experience because I can bring up many videos/comments where you have relied on someone else's review or praise of a product. Don't tell me you have no "Jeep" friends that you trust their experiences with products, because if you do youre full of shit. So why bother me about my own personal experience when I said I didnt have any - but trusted my friend who has the tires on his same truck I have?
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LOL - I have no idea what it was but clearly, something I said got your panties in a bunch and for that, I'm sorry. If it was me saying in all caps "YOUR", that was only because you had done the same when you said "MY". As in, there was no harm intended.

That said, and when it comes to tires, I WILL tell you that I only go off of personal experience when it comes to saying what tire I personally think is a "good tire in wet weather or snow". Certainly, I have tested a myriad of them and in the end, it's just my opinion. And, since you seemed to gloss over it entirely, that's all I was asking from you - "just for comparison sake" as I was just "curious". That's a far cry from "bothering you" about it.
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You completely MISSED MY POINT on my original post that I wasn't "concerned" with rain or snow and thinking of going to the new Toyo - I thought it was strange that its the ONLY 40" tire that's only 12.5" wide. MY tire IS a hybrid, but it IS a part all terrain tire, you should know this.
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I get that you're sensitive but maybe try calming down for just a second and try to see that I was just asking a question. That's it. Nothing more - nothing less as I was genuinely curious about what you think. You know, people do that sometimes when they're conversing :rolleyes:
 
Just as an added thought and with the hopes it doesn't step on anymore toes, Toyo owns Nitto and they both use the same rubber compounds. In fact, most of their tires are made in the same factory located in White, GA. I like the look of this new Open Country RT Pro but would bet it performs about the same as the Ridge Grappler. But hey, that's just my best guess and based on what I know and without me personally testing it.
 
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