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mphilleo

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Recently, I had installed an OEM Mopar dry block heater on my JKU. Unfortunately, it involved having the local shop repairing the threads that one of the AC compressor mounting bolts go into. They had to evacuate the system and remove the AC to perform the repair. I hadn't really driven it much since then until I left work today. It was still pretty cold in my area, so I had the block heater plugged in.

When I left work, the coolant temp gauge was working fine. But as I was driving home, I noticed a noise while I was at an intersection, which I later realized was the radiator fan. Everything seemed fine otherwise, no warning lights. Then on the last stretch home, about 4 miles into my commute, I noticed there was no reading on the temperature gauge and the radiator fan was still going. Panicked, I pulled over at the nearest side road and turned the Jeep off to check things out. I discovered that nothing appeared to be wrong. No coolant loss, no indication of overheating, but I did notice the lower radiator hose was cold as if the thermostat wasn't opened. Starting it back up, I carefully drove the rest of the way home.

After I got back in my garage, I scanned the Jeep and I got two codes:

P0116 Coolant Temp Sens Perf
U1402 Implausible Engine Temperature Signal Received

I also noticed that the lower radiator hose had started to warm up, so it must've finally opened. The AC clutch also appeared to be engaging more loudly, but there was no code for that, and it's possible that was just in my head (I tried engaging it and disengaging it multiple times to hear). The only thing I can think of is that some wiring got stretched, or bumped, or damaged during the service. I'm more concerned about the U1402 code, but it's possibly related to the first or the overall issue. Overall, I'm confused by the behavior of the thermostat, or the sheer coincidence of this happening all at once.

Interestingly, I found one other user on a different forum with virtually the same experience as me. His thread is here:


I reached out to him and found out that he never did get to the bottom of the issue. Evidently, he eventually crashed his JK and got a JL. Anyway, that's as far as I got and I'm completely at a loss. This is sort of a hail Mary, honestly.


There's even an instance of this on a 2010 with the 3.8:

 
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Recently, I had installed an OEM Mopar dry block heater on my JKU. Unfortunately, it involved having the local shop repairing the threads that one of the AC compressor mounting bolts go into. They had to evacuate the system and remove the AC to perform the repair. I hadn't really driven it much since then until I left work today. It was still pretty cold in my area, so I had the block heater plugged in.

When I left work, the coolant temp gauge was working fine. But as I was driving home, I noticed a noise while I was at an intersection, which I later realized was the radiator fan. Everything seemed fine otherwise, no warning lights. Then on the last stretch home, about 4 miles into my commute, I noticed there was no reading on the temperature gauge and the radiator fan was still going. Panicked, I pulled over at the nearest side road and turned the Jeep off to check things out. I discovered that nothing appeared to be wrong. No coolant loss, no indication of overheating, but I did notice the lower radiator hose was cold as if the thermostat wasn't opened. Starting it back up, I carefully drove the rest of the way home.

After I got back in my garage, I scanned the Jeep and I got two codes:

P0116 Coolant Temp Sens Perf
U1402 Implausible Engine Temperature Signal Received

I also noticed that the lower radiator hose had started to warm up, so it must've finally opened. The AC clutch also appeared to be engaging more loudly, but there was no code for that, and it's possible that was just in my head (I tried engaging it and disengaging it multiple times to hear). The only thing I can think of is that some wiring got stretched, or bumped, or damaged during the service. I'm more concerned about the U1402 code, but it's possibly related to the first or the overall issue. Overall, I'm confused by the behavior of the thermostat, or the sheer coincidence of this happening all at once.

Interestingly, I found one other user on a different forum with virtually the same experience as me. His thread is here:


I reached out to him and found out that he never did get to the bottom of the issue. Evidently, he eventually crashed his JK and got a JL. Anyway, that's as far as I got and I'm completely at a loss. This is sort of a hail Mary, honestly.
It sounds like you may have a huge air bubble in the system so that the water pump is not working (cavitation). It may also be that the water pump is broken or otherwise not turning. Or a big fatberg (e.g part of a shop towel) has wedged against the thermostat. The thermostat is normally a mechanical device.

Regardless, someone screwed it up!
 
I had air in my coolant lines that prevented the heater from working in Brute which was a JKU...burped the air from the lines and it worked fine afterward...
 
It looks like it's an issue with the ECT and other 2 sensors in the cooling system not being in agreement with block heater use. I found a couple other threads that confirm this. I also used my digital shop manual to look up the P0116 code as well and it suggests the same thing.

"THEORY OF OPERATION Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor performance looks at the outputs of three temperature sensors and compares them under cold start conditions. Following a start to run delay time, the outputs of the Ambient, Engine Coolant and Intake Air Temperature Sensors will be compared. If the Intake Air and Ambient Air Temperature Sensors agree and the Engine Coolant Temperature does not agree, the Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor is declared as irrational."

Not sure how to fix it outside of getting the PCM flashed, assuming that's a thing.
 
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It looks like it's an issue with the ECT and other 2 sensors in the cooling system not being in agreement with block heater use. I found a couple other threads that confirm this. I also used my digital shop manual to look up the P0116 code as well and it suggests the same thing.

"THEORY OF OPERATION Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor performance looks at the outputs of three temperature sensors and compares them under cold start conditions. Following a start to run delay time, the outputs of the Ambient, Engine Coolant and Intake Air Temperature Sensors will be compared. If the Intake Air and Ambient Air Temperature Sensors agree and the Engine Coolant Temperature does not agree, the Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor is declared as irrational."

Not sure how to fix it outside of getting the PCM flashed, assuming that's a thing.
burping the cooling system does not require PCM flash and would be the 1st thing I would check.

Jack up the front end, remove the radiator cap and let it sit overnight if you can.

If you want to do it faster, Jack up the front end, remove the radiator cap, set the brake, start the engine and let it idle, turn on the heater to engage the heater core and watch for bubbles in the radiator.

You may want to have at least a gallon of premixed coolant to add; depending on how much air is in the system, the coolant level could drop and you'll need to add.

Let it idle until the coolant level stabilizes and you see no more air bubbles, lifting the front end it required.

If after a few key cycles the error does not clear, take it back to the shop that did the work.
 
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