well I was just testing yall NOT. I thought if it had reliefs it was a cj ( tail gate thats the key i'll remember that as not to look :doh: in the future) he doesnt have disc. in the front and there stock i believe, very short, he said it rides like an old dump truck. He bought it with a lift on it and everything is painted with that rust kill paint underneath. He doesnt know why but it has 0 flex. I thought it was funny when i pulled in and saw them parked like that though. The guy with the red one said it makes it easy to rotate tires.