Thanks guys for the info. 2 cross, We will be heading out of Albuquerque on Thursday afternoon on August 4th. Plan on staying somewhere just over the border. After that I have all of Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Have to be back in Albuquerque by Monday night cause I work Tuesday. Just trying to plan out the trip now. Probably gonna be 2-4 vehicles. There are three other things that we want to see on this trip, bishops castle(this one is not optional), the sand dunes, and the alligator farm. It's lots packed into 4 days and that's why I'm trying to see what needs to be eliminated. Trails are priority[emoji39]. If anyone is interested in joining you are welcome. It's always a pleasure to mingle with new friends. Thanks dillard09 for the welcome.